POTS in the Street, Fibre in New Apartment. Now What?

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#1294738 1-May-2015 08:24

thekiwikeith:
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UFB costs more to install than POTS.
Guess which option the developer will prefer?

Why do you think UFB costs more?

Running copper inside a building carries significant cost. Getting Chorus or the LFC onboard in the early stages insures the building is ducted with contributions from both parties. Depending on the size of the building this cost for fibre could be well less than what it will cost to reticulate copper around the building, and will typically be significantly less work.

Now we're getting somewhere. Thanks, sbiddle. You've confirmed my thoughts. So if no copper in the building, which I've been led to believe, why is developer so soy about announcing type of service?

And still, my original question. If UFB not initially in the street then what's involved in hooking interior fibre to POTS in the street?

You can't hook interior copper to fibre. If the building is being pre-fibered it'll be in conjunction with Chorus and UFB will be available in that area. Just because a UFB coverage map doesn't show UFB at street level doesn't mean UFB isn't available there - when a MDU is deployed it contains equipment and splitters in it and (depending on the size) can be hooked up very differently than a SDU.

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#1294823 1-May-2015 09:40

Interesting article in Stuff today

Elderly forced to sign up for broadband.

Regards,

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#1294830 1-May-2015 09:47

old3eyes: Interesting article in Stuff today

Elderly forced to sign up for broadband.

My biggest concern with the ufb project has always been just that. Really the LFCs should be offering to install a UPS as maintained CPE for a nominal fee along side the ONT to ensure customers aren't left literally in the dark like this.

Anything I say is the ramblings of an ill informed, opinionated so-and-so, and not representative of any of my past, present or future employers, and is also probably best disregarded.

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#1294847 1-May-2015 10:05

old3eyes: Interesting article in Stuff today

Elderly forced to sign up for broadband.

In many ways this is a slight beat-up with some misinformed people, and a badly written story.

A ATA (voice only) service is on the CFH pricelist. It's up to RSPs whether they want to provide this or not - and the biggest issue is that with most bigger providers option for RGW based voice (rather than ONT) and Spark yet not offering a VoIP solution via the ONT ATA ports. This means that most of the big providers can't provide such a basic service.

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#1294859 1-May-2015 10:29

sbiddle: ... In many ways this is a slight beat-up with some misinformed people, and a badly written story....

What else would you expect from Stuff?

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#1295025 1-May-2015 13:46

sbiddle:
thekiwikeith:
sbiddle:
Sideface:
UFB costs more to install than POTS.
Guess which option the developer will prefer?

Why do you think UFB costs more?

Running copper inside a building carries significant cost. Getting Chorus or the LFC onboard in the early stages insures the building is ducted with contributions from both parties. Depending on the size of the building this cost for fibre could be well less than what it will cost to reticulate copper around the building, and will typically be significantly less work.

Now we're getting somewhere. Thanks, sbiddle. You've confirmed my thoughts. So if no copper in the building, which I've been led to believe, why is developer so soy about announcing type of service?

And still, my original question. If UFB not initially in the street then what's involved in hooking interior fibre to POTS in the street?

You can't hook interior copper to fibre. If the building is being pre-fibered it'll be in conjunction with Chorus and UFB will be available in that area. Just because a UFB coverage map doesn't show UFB at street level doesn't mean UFB isn't available there - when a MDU is deployed it contains equipment and splitters in it and (depending on the size) can be hooked up very differently than a SDU.

Nice! Thanks sibiddle. Your tech explanation aligns with my intuitive thinking.

All will become clear in the next two or three months as construction finishes and the move-in starts.

Will update you all as events unfold.

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#1298677 5-May-2015 22:12

sbiddle: Whether a building has fibre reticulated is up to the developer, not Chorus.

I'm aware of 2 brand new apartments buildings in Wellington completed within the last few months that are in fibre ready parts of town, but are copper only. No fibre has been run to the apartments, and doing this would be an incredibly expensive and messy job.

These apartments don't even RJ45s or a mini patch panel in each apartment - it's 2 x BT jacks wired in series back to a frame in the riser.

Thats terrible planning from the developer. They probably thought fibre was stuff you make boats out of.

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#1298736 6-May-2015 00:54

webwat:
sbiddle: Whether a building has fibre reticulated is up to the developer, not Chorus.

I'm aware of 2 brand new apartments buildings in Wellington completed within the last few months that are in fibre ready parts of town, but are copper only. No fibre has been run to the apartments, and doing this would be an incredibly expensive and messy job.

These apartments don't even RJ45s or a mini patch panel in each apartment - it's 2 x BT jacks wired in series back to a frame in the riser.

Thats terrible planning from the developer. They probably thought fibre was stuff you make boats out of.

Perhaps Chorus should promote a "fibre ready" style brand logo. Developers can put this on their new buildings etc. and if you build market awareness then it becomes a selling point... Would Chorus be incentivesed to do this? I'm not sure.

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#1298799 6-May-2015 08:22

Zeon:
webwat:
sbiddle: Whether a building has fibre reticulated is up to the developer, not Chorus.

I'm aware of 2 brand new apartments buildings in Wellington completed within the last few months that are in fibre ready parts of town, but are copper only. No fibre has been run to the apartments, and doing this would be an incredibly expensive and messy job.

These apartments don't even RJ45s or a mini patch panel in each apartment - it's 2 x BT jacks wired in series back to a frame in the riser.

Thats terrible planning from the developer. They probably thought fibre was stuff you make boats out of.

Perhaps Chorus should promote a "fibre ready" style brand logo. Developers can put this on their new buildings etc. and if you build market awareness then it becomes a selling point... Would Chorus be incentivesed to do this? I'm not sure.

As Chorus are only one player in the fibre game that would need to be something CFH did.

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