Fibre decision: Poor ONT_Modem location or $1,000 install or flag it ?

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#1352088 26-Jul-2015 18:09

Depending on your house the powerline option won't work all that well - with our house I get around 30-50mbit over those 600mbit powerline adapters, we've since just wired up our house with Cat6e.

Downer scoped our house and said installing the ONT in the cupboard right in the centre of our house wasn't a problem as this is where our patch panel is, when they installed it they put it in the exact place we wanted it and it didn't cost us a single cent. Get the ideal install done at the time of the install and save any hassles.

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#1352102 26-Jul-2015 19:16

Do you own the house, or rent it?

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#1352105 26-Jul-2015 19:18

sbiddle:It's unfortunately the electrical industry doesn't agree with us, and those doing this work don't want to be upskilled because they believe they already know everything.

I could not agree more.
Many trades are the same unfortunately, some of the old dogs simply don't want to learn new tricks... and at the same time they won't listen to the younger guys about new ways of doing things.
I still see modulated coax installs being put in new high end home AV installs, let alone poorly implemented networking.

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#1352106 26-Jul-2015 19:19

Is it possible to dig a trench from the Point of Entry (POE) to a location close to where you want it? End result is a much tidier finish, close to not even noticing it was done in the first place and no need for painting to keep with the covenants of the property. Just a thought if you have a lawn or garden around the house.

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#1352109 26-Jul-2015 19:21

Scissor lift alone is $600+ for a days hire. How high is the soffit?! Would an extension ladder not suffice? Or are they just a bit lazy and pulling out the OSH card?

If there is sufficient phone wiring in place then VDSL-Ethernet converters could be a good choice. They are now only around $200 or so per end so even after you buy them and get someone to wire them up you will be in under $1000. Will give you 100Mbps to where ever you choose but will rely on there being sufficient phone cable (they only use a single pair though so probably a non-issue).

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#1352174 26-Jul-2015 21:42

Why can't you just power the ONT via an extension cord? As they don't use much power, so there won't be any issues with overloading an extension cord or existing power point. Or is there a policy of not allowing extension cords? Even though I know of an install that has a Chorus ONT connected via an extension cord.

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#1352189 26-Jul-2015 22:01

Definitely the best option if possible would be to lay a trench to a new PoE from where they reckon it should be (no sharp bends though!), and ask them nicely - I can't think of any reason in particular why they couldn't then extend it around.

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#1352450 27-Jul-2015 11:58

Out of interest, how many new houses don't have structured cabling?

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#1352512 27-Jul-2015 13:10

Zeon: Out of interest, how many new houses don't have structured cabling?

These forums are full of folks whose new house builds have average to poor cabling for internet.... basically as the house owner you need to ask for it and own it's delivery. It's always strange that the same isn't required for electrical work and just data.

To the OP; it hurts, but it sounds like you have one of many unique houses in NZ that need extra help. $1000 is a lot, but you have provided details that suggests it's a reasonable sized job.

I need good internet for my job so to me it would be worthwhile.... I would say if it matters and you can afford it, then you should go for it.

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#1352674 27-Jul-2015 15:52

Yes we own the house.

External access isn't an issue. There is a duct to the External Termination Point from a pit in the adjacent right-of-way, where there is an easement for phone/data lines. Easy for them getting the fibre to that point.

From there it is 6m - 6.5m straight up to and through the Soffit. This is the issue. Transfield won't touch work at that height full stop. Hence I have to get conduit up the side of the house installed by someone else. The lift will cost $150 + GST to hire for day. Looking at the rails I will be OK on it, so maybe I could run the conduit myself. It won't be hard, just uncomfortable. That will save a couple of hundy.

Once the conduit is installed, Transfield are happy to run fibre up into the roof space and across to the ONT location preferred by me - the top of our office cupboard.

I'm now convinced to open the wallet and shell out the $$. But it will have to wait a while as the HWC just kakked itself.

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#1352697 27-Jul-2015 16:39

As an alternative, perhaps you could have them install the ONT in the garage and get some Cat6 installed from the garage to wherever you want your router to be. Would this save you the install of a power point?

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#1352705 27-Jul-2015 17:10

I'd definitely consider ONT in the easiest place (shed) so it's a basic install. Then run CAT6 into a router in the house where you can have WiFi and distribute to wired ports too. That means in the short term you could always run CAT6 along the ground and in a window - ugly, but short term.

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#1352715 27-Jul-2015 17:28

Can you use the modem as only a modem and run a wire to another router in the house?

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#1352717 27-Jul-2015 17:32

sbiddle:
floydie:
The house is about 6 years old, but no data cabling installed when it was built and even the phoens are daisy chained.

that sucks big time. i cant beleive there are sparkies out there who just dont get data cabling. data cabling SHOULD be part of the electrical regs/ codes of practice and MINIMUM levels of data cabling SHOULD be mandatory in new builds.

I did all our new build network cabling and re-ran the lead in because the sparky had NO CLUE about UFB conduit requirements etc

I've been working in a brand new apartment building in recent months where there are 2x BT jacks wired in series. The first BT is fed from the frame in the riser, and the other connected via cat6 cable from that.

I agree entirely with that you've said. It's unfortunately the electrical industry doesn't agree with us, and those doing this work don't want to be upskilled because they believe they already know everything.

The problem here people only want to pay for a domestic sparky to do the work, the domestic sparky is the low end of the electrical field, if you want someone with the skills and knowledge you have to pay for it.

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#1352802 27-Jul-2015 19:07

gregmcc:
sbiddle:
floydie:
The house is about 6 years old, but no data cabling installed when it was built and even the phoens are daisy chained.

that sucks big time. i cant beleive there are sparkies out there who just dont get data cabling. data cabling SHOULD be part of the electrical regs/ codes of practice and MINIMUM levels of data cabling SHOULD be mandatory in new builds.

I did all our new build network cabling and re-ran the lead in because the sparky had NO CLUE about UFB conduit requirements etc

I've been working in a brand new apartment building in recent months where there are 2x BT jacks wired in series. The first BT is fed from the frame in the riser, and the other connected via cat6 cable from that.

I agree entirely with that you've said. It's unfortunately the electrical industry doesn't agree with us, and those doing this work don't want to be upskilled because they believe they already know everything.

The problem here people only want to pay for a domestic sparky to do the work, the domestic sparky is the low end of the electrical field, if you want someone with the skills and knowledge you have to pay for it.

I see quite a few that do data, when I was looking for one. Now, will that be data cabled from bare cable to patch panels? I'd hope so. Maybe some run a long cable with a plug at each end and you sort the rest yourself? We are moving to a new place in the months to come, and I will be getting it done right first time. Empty new house or near new, damn the one off cost although I'd hope it would be the same as "please connect a power point in four rooms please" type of cost. In fact if its data only it should be cheaper.

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