Question on being able to block a fiber install in home unit block

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#1785784 22-May-2017 09:36

Update to this. After a rather shaky start it's all up and going. Speech sounds way better that the old analog setup though I still think that fiber would have been better. The only issue was that the end user assumed that the DECT cordless in her room would work off the new one she had bought to plug into the router. Spark are sending out a twin set of Uniden DECT phones that should fix that issue though a triple set would have been better.

The only this that seemed odd to me was that she couldn't access the internet from her desktop PC via Ethernet until she had put in the WiFi password on the base of the router.. Once she did that the Tablet and cell phone WiFi then also burst into life..

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#1786150 22-May-2017 19:22

old3eyes:

Update to this. After a rather shaky start it's all up and going. Speech sounds way better that the old analog setup though I still think that fiber would have been better. The only issue was that the end user assumed that the DECT cordless in her room would work off the new one she had bought to plug into the router. Spark are sending out a twin set of Uniden DECT phones that should fix that issue though a triple set would have been better.

The only this that seemed odd to me was that she couldn't access the internet from her desktop PC via Ethernet until she had put in the WiFi password on the base of the router.. Once she did that the Tablet and cell phone WiFi then also burst into life..

The lack of IW is the biggest flaw with going wireless IMO, If spark can pull a downer deal to cover IW for wireless, it would be perfect. Cut copper, into jack and loop is set.

The DECT phones spark sends just work with the platform, I'm glad that move was made.

Needing to Enter the Wifi password is a strange one, May be an activation thing but i understood all that was based off the device powering up.

I'll pop over to the team and ask them about this one tomorrow as it seems strange...

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#1794384 4-Jun-2017 00:02

Hi guys,

I am in the same situation where it is a shared driveway. Our neighbour has not given consent because it will involve making a cut to the driveway.

I assume coming to 9th June, the new act will come into effect.

Previously the technician did a site visit and came to a conclusion that micro trenching will be the only solution. I asked for other solution and they seems lack of interest finding out other solution. I believe mounting it to the fence should work. https://www.chorus.co.nz/installation-methods

Can I request Chrous/Wilson Hurst to do another assessment? Given mounting it to the fence will be a category 1 instllation.

any reply will be much appreciated :)))

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#1794418 4-Jun-2017 08:59

Any existing orders in the system would be covered by the existing legislation.

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#1794428 4-Jun-2017 09:39

Personally I would avoid the micro trench and the fence.

I have never seen a good reinstatement of the microtrench and they seem to fall apart within days of reinstatement.

The fence line is tacky / ugly and prone to damage, what happens if you and the neighbor want to change the fence or he does it without you permission etc.

Either dig or thrust ( horizontal drill ) a conduit from the road to your house, I have just been through the thrusting option for a client as their dict is blocked and chorus refuse to unblock it.

I asked serveralncompanies to quote and only two were able, one was expensive about $100 / m and the other was $350 / m

Most said they were too busy with watercare or chorus to do a small job which is fair enough.

If you have the conduit in place, your neighbor surly can not object.

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#1794429 4-Jun-2017 09:43

You could always mention to your neighbor that their copper will probably get decommissioned in 2020 and it's a good idea to get fibre installed now while it's free...

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#1794433 4-Jun-2017 09:58

musicman2017:

Hi guys,

I am in the same situation where it is a shared driveway. Our neighbour has not given consent because it will involve making a cut to the driveway.

I assume coming to 9th June, the new act will come into effect.

Previously the technician did a site visit and came to a conclusion that micro trenching will be the only solution. I asked for other solution and they seems lack of interest finding out other solution. I believe mounting it to the fence should work. https://www.chorus.co.nz/installation-methods

Can I request Chrous/Wilson Hurst to do another assessment? Given mounting it to the fence will be a category 1 instllation.

any reply will be much appreciated :)))

Would it be possible to do what I did for my own installation, as shown in this pic? I dug my own trench and rammed a two inch steel pipe under a concrete path (at a depth of ~ 450 mm) to made a bore hole that I could push the conduit through.

I went to a lot of trouble to do this and if you were to get a contractor to do the same, you'd probably be looking at a big bill for the labour.

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#1794618 4-Jun-2017 18:36

DarkShadow: You could always mention to your neighbor that their copper will probably get decommissioned in 2020 and it's a good idea to get fibre installed now while it's free...

Where does this information come from?

DarkShadow

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#1794623 4-Jun-2017 19:05

quickymart:

DarkShadow: You could always mention to your neighbor that their copper will probably get decommissioned in 2020 and it's a good idea to get fibre installed now while it's free...

Where does this information come from?

Telco Act review

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#1794631 4-Jun-2017 19:42

DarkShadow:

quickymart:

DarkShadow: You could always mention to your neighbor that their copper will probably get decommissioned in 2020 and it's a good idea to get fibre installed now while it's free...

Where does this information come from?

Telco Act review

From 1 Jan 2020 Chorus will be able to withdrawal copper from any UFB areas. There is likely to be a notice period but that is likely to be months not years. These areas can expanded to include UFB Stage 2 and any other areas where fibre is rolled out (since power lines companies can string Fibre below there power lines from 9 June - they can now but it becomes a lot easier from the 9th).

Rural areas who can not get fibre will remain status quo.

Chorus have also said they not fixing copper lines for 20,000 customers who can get UFB today (40% of these are on fibre already)

https://sp.chorus.co.nz/product-update/migrating-high-fault-customers-fibre

The death of copper is coming fast for most areas. They haven't said where or when they will cut it off but I am pretty sure they will be doing a feasibility on it. Chorus will make some good savings from everyone on fibre in most areas.

Significantly less faults meaning less techs and less bad PR, complaints and misinformation.
They won't need all those road side cabinets in cities just a few big exchanges.
They will use a lot less power.

Spark are also removing the old PSTN network.

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#1794755 5-Jun-2017 08:49

I wonder how many little old ladies will get cought with this thinking that their coper landline will last forever.

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#1794761 5-Jun-2017 09:03

nas: Sorry to slightly derail the thread.

I'm in a shared driveway situation, and one of two neighbours hasn't bothered to respond to consent, so come June 9th if I submit another request will they have 30 days to respond otherwise it's deemed implied consent?

atomeara: It won't be 30 days, more like 15 days.

They will still need to do a design, send the design out, then issue a notice 5 days before coming onsite. I would expect 2-3 months under normal circumstances for it to get done

Did you try talking to the neighbor and seeing if they would sign the form?

nas: Nah not yet, we're only renting so I didn't want to extend too much effort, but it's on the cards to go talk to them.

Our VDSL recently bumped up to 70/20 after dDLM as well so felt even less motivated to go chat

As you're renting your property, I'm surprised Chorus haven't referred you back to the property owner for submission of the request.

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#1794763 5-Jun-2017 09:07

Spark are also removing the old PSTN network.

I belive they are only removing the neax exchanges and replacing them with a very large ATA so Pots will still be available.

I belive this is how vodafone and slingshot do it in LLU areas with their own gear in phone exchanges.

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#1794770 5-Jun-2017 09:32

The ATAs Spark will be using are supplied by Chorus, so that's a slight difference than with LLU.

atomeara

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#1794791 5-Jun-2017 10:08

SATTV:

Spark are also removing the old PSTN network.

I belive they are only removing the neax exchanges and replacing them with a very large ATA so Pots will still be available.

I belive this is how vodafone and slingshot do it in LLU areas with their own gear in phone exchanges.

John

You are correct that they are removing the NEAX exchanges and moving everyone to Baseband IP (a large ATA/FXS bank). It is SIP/VoIP from the cabinet or exchange which is not like the current POTS network. Both Chorus and Spark have undertaken testing, while it is fine for voice calling, they have had issues with other devices including EFTPOS, SkyTV, medical devices, alarm monitoring, dial up services and faxing.

Anyone that has dealt with faxing and SIP/VoIP knows it can be a nightmare and many factors outside your control can affect it.

Many of these providers are working to move to pure IP or 3G/GPRS.

St Johns is moving to GPRS/3G

SkyTV has the ethernet port enabled in all decoders that have it now, they have been sending techs out and upgrading decoders to connect them to the customers internet connection.

Paymark is encouraging customers to IP, and there is a $10 a month fee if you want dialup.

I know a few alarm companies are using this as a way to get people to move to IP as well.
When people move to UFB and they need to keep paying $50-60 per month for a POTS line just for the alarm they start to look at it more seriously.

If Chorus does withdrawal copper from UFB areas, by the end of 2024 then only 15% of the population will still be able to use it. Many of these people are or will be on some kind of wireless broadband anyway. Lines companies may start stringing fibre up long there lines (or give Chorus/another LFC the right to do it on there behalf), Chorus can be given the right to withdraw copper from these areas too.

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