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  #2681855 28-Mar-2021 08:59
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cyril7: So you put in two ducts then?

Cyril

 

The lower one is for power, mainly for LED tennis lights and to get power to the other side.

 

Probably should have for my neighbours..? the black micro conduit they use is about 6mm. 




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  #2681859 28-Mar-2021 09:10
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Hi, so you used grey for the lights (I presume the junction box is to drop a feed mid court) and orange for Telco, thats arse about face. Also you have used 20mm orange duct, this is 20mm OD so only around 16mm ID which will be too tight to pull more than one Microduct which the toughend stuff is 8-9mm in dia when you include the location wire. So no way two will go through a 20mm HD duct.

 

Be aware that Telco 20mm conduit is 20mm ID so that is closer to 25mm OD HD that you have used, which is what I would have used, but to also be correct I would have used Or for the lights and Grey for Data, and run two Data one for each end point.

 

As for two micro ducts in a single conduit (as mentioned unlikely to pull) but further Telco's normally insist on seperate ducts for each drop, that way they dont risk effecting another customer should they need to pull a new circuit in should yours fail.

 

Now in micro duct fibre sense, the micro duct is infact the conduit, and the fibre in it can be re blown without affecting another micro duct that might be in the common conduit, so in essence the conduit has become the trench, the microduct the conduit and the fibre is now the copper drop (if you get my drift) but not sure if Telco's would see it that way.

 

Regardless getting two microducts in a 20mm conduit for a run as long as you have is likely to be a problem.

 

The only way I could see it work is Enable blow a 12core to your building install a fibre access terminal, and then onblow a 2core to the neighbour, and treat the whole setup as a MDU, but again doubt they would wear that, but you never know.

 

Good luck

 

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  #2681863 28-Mar-2021 09:25
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cyril7:

 

Hi, so you used grey for the lights (I presume the junction box is to drop a feed mid court) and orange for Telco, thats arse about face. Also you have used 20mm orange duct, this is 20mm OD so only around 16mm ID which will be too tight to pull more than one Microduct which the toughend stuff is 8-9mm in dia when you include the location wire. So no way two will go through a 20mm HD duct.

 

Be aware that Telco 20mm conduit is 20mm ID so that is closer to 25mm OD HD that you have used, which is what I would have used, but to also be correct I would have used Or for the lights and Grey for Data, and run two Data one for each end point.

 

As for two micro ducts in a single conduit (as mentioned unlikely to pull) but further Telco's normally insist on seperate ducts for each drop, that way they dont risk effecting another customer should they need to pull a new circuit in should yours fail.

 

Now in micro duct fibre sense, the micro duct is infact the conduit, and the fibre in it can be re blown without affecting another micro duct that might be in the common conduit, so in essence the conduit has become the trench, the microduct the conduit and the fibre is now the copper drop (if you get my drift) but not sure if Telco's would see it that way.

 

Regardless getting two microducts in a 20mm conduit for a run as long as you have is likely to be a problem.

 

The only way I could see it work is Enable blow a 12core to your building install a fibre access terminal, and then onblow a 2core to the neighbour, and treat the whole setup as a MDU, but again doubt they would wear that, but you never know.

 

Good luck

 

Cyril

 

 

 

 

Thanks Cyril, I didn't select the conduit but I understand what you are saying. It is what it is - I'll take responsibility for it. Also, the lower duct should be orange but I've been assured it's of the same spec as the orange coloured one with UV protection.

 

One other thing, the buildings are attached, which may help? In fact, our copper patch panel (not sure what you call it, I've only seen it once when they connected us to VDSL) is their building. Does that help at all?




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  #2681868 28-Mar-2021 09:30
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Hi, the orange grey thing is standards, if you see an orange duct you know it's power not data, other than that and the uv aspect it's the same strength.

If the buildings are attached then maybe it can be done with a 2nd offering (ie 2nd port on ont) or even 2nd ont beside first, and have a ethernet run between building's .

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