Fibre decision: Poor ONT_Modem location or $1,000 install or flag it ?

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#1352805 27-Jul-2015 19:12

Many appartments also cheap out on the power, its not just a phone and data thing that are overlooked. Kitchen and bedroom, all sockets on one 20 amp circuit. Because cheap.

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#1352810 27-Jul-2015 19:18

richms: Many appartments also cheap out on the power, its not just a phone and data thing that are overlooked. Kitchen and bedroom, all sockets on one 20 amp circuit. Because cheap.

Pity. "Network Ready" sounds great, but as you say there is a difference between network ready and a well networked property. Reminds me of HD Ready in TV's

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#1352879 27-Jul-2015 20:22

timmmay: I'd definitely consider ONT in the easiest place (shed) so it's a basic install. Then run CAT6 into a router in the house where you can have WiFi and distribute to wired ports too. That means in the short term you could always run CAT6 along the ground and in a window - ugly, but short term.

Yes and you separation from the ISP/Fibre Provider and YOUR network.

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#1352883 27-Jul-2015 20:28

tdgeek: ... "Network Ready" sounds great, but as you say there is a difference between network ready and a well networked property. Reminds me of HD Ready in TV's

+1

"Network ready" means whatever you want it to mean - it's advertising-speak like "new", "improved", "deluxe" and "organic" ...

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#1353202 28-Jul-2015 10:44

joker97: Can you use the modem as only a modem and run a wire to another router in the house?

There are no modems in the world of UFB. Only routers.

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#1353293 28-Jul-2015 11:59

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joker97: Can you use the modem as only a modem and run a wire to another router in the house?

There are no modems in the world of UFB. Only routers.

There's on ONT, to terminate the fiber, which is technically a modem in the sense that it MOdulates and DEModulates.

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#1353306 28-Jul-2015 12:21

I would call it a media converter/router/ata all in one, but there you go.

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#1353809 28-Jul-2015 20:57

Impossible to run Cat6 between floors on the house (which is what needs to happen) without running it along the surfaces of the internal walls, and that isn't going to happen. Didn't buy a nice house to make it look like an aging rental property.

The ONT location I have chosen makes a lot of sense, except for the fact it needs the fibre run up the wall. Short term pain, long term gain.

timmmay: I'd definitely consider ONT in the easiest place (shed) so it's a basic install. Then run CAT6 into a router in the house where you can have WiFi and distribute to wired ports too. That means in the short term you could always run CAT6 along the ground and in a window - ugly, but short term.

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#1353814 28-Jul-2015 21:01

It says WiFi-Modem-Router on the box. It's an ADSL/VDSL/Fibre unit. So I guess you only use the modem with for DSL connections?

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joker97: Can you use the modem as only a modem and run a wire to another router in the house?

There are no modems in the world of UFB. Only routers.

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#1353822 28-Jul-2015 21:08

MikeAqua: Impossible to run Cat6 between floors on the house (which is what needs to happen) without running it along the surfaces of the internal walls, and that isn't going to happen. Didn't buy a nice house to make it look like an aging rental property.

The ONT location I have chosen makes a lot of sense, except for the fact it needs the fibre run up the wall. Short term pain, long term gain.

timmmay: I'd definitely consider ONT in the easiest place (shed) so it's a basic install. Then run CAT6 into a router in the house where you can have WiFi and distribute to wired ports too. That means in the short term you could always run CAT6 along the ground and in a window - ugly, but short term.

I don't really understand the difference between running fiber up the wall and running CAT6 up. But sure, your house and we don't have all the information, maybe it makes sense to take the fiber the whole way in. The way I picture it though I'd just put the ONT in the shed, run cat6 up the outside of the house where you were going to run fiber.

I guess you could consider point to point wireless. Or if you can get the signal into the house using powerline you could use a second powerline unit, or powerline plus point to point wireless. But running cable is usually most reliable.

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#1355361 30-Jul-2015 15:03

I thought you were referring to an internal run of Cat-6 which would have to be surface mounted.

I'm talking about running fibre up the outside of a wall, through a soffit (2 level house) into the roof-space with heaps of room, across the roof-space and down into the top of an office cupboard and position the ONT and the WiFi-router there. This a good location to be the hub for the WiFi and the limited data cabling I have, and once the conduit is in place, the installation guys are happy to run the fibre up there.

I could also do a back to back install with the ONT in the garage, run Cat-6 back through the wall, along the same path and only put the router in the office cupboard. However, the position where the ONT would be mounted in a back to back install is in conflict with a full storage cupboard there is no alternate location for and not easily supplied with electricity. I also thought it might be helpful to have the router and ONT positioned side by side?

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I don't really understand the difference between running fiber up the wall and running CAT6 up. But sure, your house and we don't have all the information, maybe it makes sense to take the fiber the whole way in. The way I picture it though I'd just put the ONT in the shed, run cat6 up the outside of the house where you were going to run fiber.

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#1355378 30-Jul-2015 15:20

ONT position irrelevant IMHO, doesn't need to be anywhere near the router. Mine are close together just because the fiber does terminate where I want - in the middle of my house, after going through a couple of conduits.

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#1355380 30-Jul-2015 15:28

Are you able to post a couple of pictures of the barriers to an easy install? Someone might have a good idea to solve your problems.

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#1355384 30-Jul-2015 15:36

Make sure that you take enough cat6 from the ONT to somewhere usefull for if someone in the future wants to get a second service or use the "phone line" product.

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#1355585 30-Jul-2015 22:27

I am curious as to why the tech wont work at that height when they have to work up poles in areas where there are aerial fibre which cant be far off 6m.
A few things to consider:

1.The possibility of getting a electrician or network cabling person to run a hybrid cable internally within the walls (if possible) up to the preferred ONT location from the ETP location. Nicer finish and the ONT is where you want it down side is will cost a bit.
Fibre cables are sensitive to tight bends so as long as the cable hasn't been damaged during installation it should all work fine, just contact Transfield before the work is done from boundary to house is done so they get the correct ETP location.

2. (if you are getting voice over the fibre) Where does the voice come from? If its the ONT How is the voice going to integrate back into the house wiring if it is installed back to back?

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