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Master Geek

#699178 10-Oct-2012 16:11

varix: Snap are aware of the fact I have a single jackpoint and are fighting with Chorus about it. Sounds like Chorus dont care how many or how little jackpoints you have they still say you must have a splitter.

They just want the $400 for a 15min job for hardware that isn't even needed. They could tape an old Eclipse tin to the side of your house and say its a splitter and it wont make the situation any different lol.

EDIT: By they I mean Chorus not Snap.

varix

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Master Geek

#699180 10-Oct-2012 16:13

Yeah thats what I figure, will see what Snap comes back to me with. Although at present everything is working well.
Does anyone else think its strange that the blue and white wires in the picture on my previous post are actually joined?

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#699184 10-Oct-2012 16:17

That wiring looks bizarre! For your scenario (and keep in mind I'm no expert but..) I would expect the pair from road going straight to the Cat5 (white->white, blue->blue and nothing else) I'd expect road white->scotcklock-> cat5 white and similar for blue... WTH is the white wired to blue and blue to white (as well as to the cat5)???

I'd get some scotchloks and just replace them to try this. With the photos you should be able to put it back as it is if needed.

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SamF

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#699185 10-Oct-2012 16:17

Bah, that's complete BS!! They're obviously talking to some level 1 pleb who can't do anything except follow the pre-defined script. The other option is that you just tell them you have a splitter installed...

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#699217 10-Oct-2012 17:05

Something is definitely wrong there. If I were you I'd cut the joint off, so that the pair from the road goes only into the pair used by your modem.

Edit: Like this:

Edit 2: Does anyone know if there are gel crimps without the metal contacts in them? Is it possible that that was put there to prevent moisture getting to the copper, and isn't electrically connected?

varix

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Master Geek

#699268 10-Oct-2012 18:30

Where is best place to get these gel conectors from? I need to buy some before I got cutting wires incase it doesnt work.

helis

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Master Geek

#699271 10-Oct-2012 18:32

varix: Where is best place to get these gel conectors from? I need to buy some before I got cutting wires incase it doesnt work.

Yeah I just checked jaycar for Scotchlok and quicksplice and nothing come up. I plan on running new cable this weekend so will also need to buy these Scotchlok's and a new wall jack box and faceplate.

EDIT: Found them on Jaycar. http://www.jaycar.co.nz/productView.asp?ID=HP1214&form=CAT2&SUBCATID=996#1

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sidefx

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#699294 10-Oct-2012 19:36

Jaycar don't stock them anymore. (Edit: at least they didn't when I went in and asked at the local Jaycar - we found them on their stock computer but they had no stock and the manager told me they had stopped selling them - looks like maybe they now just sell generic non-3M ones though maybe?)

You might have better luck at Cory's.

I would just do as Lorenco says tbh even without scotchloks. If you're really stuck you can temporarily just twist them together until you can go get some scotchloks.

@Lorenco - still doesn't make sense to me even if that 2 wire scotchlok has no contacts - why put a short blue into the right of the right scotchlok and why put the short white wire into the middle of the white scotchlok??

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stevehodge

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#699315 10-Oct-2012 20:29

sidefx: Jaycar don't stock them anymore. (Edit: at least they didn't when I went in and asked at the local Jaycar - we found them on their stock computer but they had no stock and the manager told me they had stopped selling them - looks like maybe they now just sell generic non-3M ones though maybe?)

They do have some generic ones. Not very well made, but they do the job.

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#699328 10-Oct-2012 21:10

You can get those joiners at PBTech:

http://www.pbtech.co.nz/index.php?z=p&p=CABDNX7055&name=Dynamix-2-Wire-Gel-filled-Joiner-UY-2-%28Use-Compres

I think that's the unit price if you buy 200 of them, but you can buy them individually (for quite a bit more). I managed to talk them down on price (can't remember what I paid in the end tho).

Cbfd

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#699329 10-Oct-2012 21:16

The red cap end aka red dot is jus an insulator for the end of the copper pair to stop then touching or shorting and keep then insulated from either and stop them corroiding - removing these peob wont make much differnence - u can cut it right bak at the 3 port connector and see what happens

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#699353 10-Oct-2012 21:53

Cbfd: The red cap end aka red dot is jus an insulator for the end of the copper pair to stop then touching or shorting and keep then insulated from either and stop them corroiding - removing these peob wont make much differnence - u can cut it right bak at the 3 port connector and see what happens

I don't understand though... the end of the copper pair goes into the scotchlok and could just terminate in there; why bring another short length back out of each of the scotchloks into that little red one?

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#699359 10-Oct-2012 21:55

Possibly because it was already there? I had a "test termination unit" scotchlocced between the incoming cable and the cat5 into the house. Pulled it out thinking it may have been messing with my speeds but it didnt make any difference.

Asked a tech the next time and apparantly it was a thing they did for a while when putting the 2 wire sockets into places.

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#699432 11-Oct-2012 06:14

Judging by the gauge of the wire it used to have a ttu ( terminating test unit) which someone has removed cos they are known to cause faults with broadband and one phone if they go faulty - so either someone was lazy or useless

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#699498 11-Oct-2012 09:39

Ok thanks chaps, that makes sense. So cutting it off is unlikely to help, but also unlikely to cause any issues by the sounds of it.

Would the next sensible thing then be just to snip the copper pair off right there, connect them directly to the inner pair of an ethernet cable, take that in through a window or something and plug it straight into the Fritzbox? Just to rule out anything crazy happening with that cat5 that it's currently connected to between the ETP and the first jackpoint?

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