Myth:Confirmed, NZ really does have rubbish broadband

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#486242 26-Jun-2011 23:58

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This is the stupidest "fact" I've read in ages. (That's not my opinion, it's a fact!)

Ha. That says it all.

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#486245 27-Jun-2011 00:09

scensation: The fact is, NZ did not rank well in the 2009 Oxford survey; we were just below Romania.

That's not news and both the government and private companies are working on improvements:

The government is investing 1.5 billion of tax payer money on fibre to the home.
http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/

Pacfic Fibre are raising funds to build a new submarine fibre optic cable to the US and Aussie.
http://pacificfibre.net/

There are some countries like Japan and South Korea where fibre to the home was rolled out many years ago but many countries eg: Australia and Singapore are working on FFTH now like NZ.

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#486263 27-Jun-2011 06:54

scensation:
muppet

This is the stupidest "fact" I've read in ages. (That's not my opinion, it's a fact!)

Ha. That says it all.

And your lack of an answer speaks louder still! :)

Audiophiles are such twits! They buy such pointless stuff: Gold plated cables, $2000 power cords. Idiots.

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#486269 27-Jun-2011 07:55

Ragnor:
scensation:?The fact is, NZ did not rank well in the 2009 Oxford survey; we were just below Romania.

That's not news and both the government and private companies are working on improvements:

The government is investing 1.5 billion of tax payer money on fibre to the home.
http://www.crownfibre.govt.nz/

Pacfic Fibre are raising funds to build a new submarine fibre optic cable to the US and Aussie.
http://pacificfibre.net/

There are some?countries?like Japan and South Korea where fibre to the home was rolled out many years ago but many?countries?eg: Australia and?Singapore are working on FFTH now like NZ.

Not to mention the ~$1 billion spent over the last 3 years on the FTTN project. The simple reality is by the end of this year most DSL users in NZ should be getting 13Mbps + connections. If you're not you need to look at a) your house wiring or b) your ISP.

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#486374 27-Jun-2011 11:56

Agreed the current quality of our broadband is actually pretty good.

The current price of our broadband is the less sobering part and that is to do with:

- Population density / Economies of scale
- Wholesale cost of connection due to lack of competition
- Domestic transit cost due to lack of competition
- International transit cost due to lack of competition
- Large amount of international traffic consumption vs domestic

UFB and Pacfic Fibre should have an impact on half of those ^

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#486377 27-Jun-2011 12:02

UFB and Pacfic Fibre should have an impact on half of those ^

And they are. I know of some fairly heavy price drops recently that seem to be in response to PacificFibre.

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#488115 1-Jul-2011 00:45

muppet:

UFB and Pacfic Fibre should have an impact on half of those ^

And they are. I know of some fairly heavy price drops recently that seem to be in response to PacificFibre.

Yeah but that's also been from there being new players in the market like Vocus and Odyssey undercutting the likes of Telecom, Telstraclear, Pacnet, MCI etc which traditionally were the defacto transit providers.

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#488690 2-Jul-2011 21:39

That map doesnt look right, I'm sure a few more of the ISPs would still maintain at least partial redundancy with their international bandwidth, or have margins been squeezed that badly now?

Are the international wholesalers taking over that role now, providing protected network capacity to the ISPs?

Time to find a new industry!

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#488712 2-Jul-2011 23:38

It's a generalisation generated off ASN's and BGP paths, so yes quite right it doesn't accurately really show redundant transit ISP's may have.

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#502434 5-Aug-2011 13:49

http://www.nbr.co.nz/article/internetnz-discussion-paper-asks-why-nz-has-data-caps-aw-98481Data caps stingiest in world

Background comments from respondents found that New Zealand caps were among the lowest in the world, Mr Jackson said.

He said caps in Australia had recently expanded significantly due to competition between ISPs, with terabyte caps now common, Mr Jackson said.

Possible reasons for this were the reliance upon a single submarine cable for almost all international traffic and the position of Telecom as the owner of much of the access network used by most ISPs, said Mr Jackson.

“The price paid by ISPs for international transit has been dropping significantly; therefore if data caps do not greatly increase as they have in Australia recently it is likely to be incumbency around the copper loop which is keeping them low.”

Makes telecoms recent cap increases look like feeding crumbs to a starving gorilla.

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#502435 5-Aug-2011 13:51

Please discuss the InternetNZ Paper in its own thread (which I opened earlier today when the release was received): www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=49&topicid=87728

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