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#2489681 22-May-2020 16:25

tripper1000:

There was talk of a trial to stream TV into homes using fibre - it was a separate feed from the ONT, and was separate to the internet. I never heard the conclusion. Wonder if it is anything alone those lines.

Its not.

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#2489685 22-May-2020 16:32

tripper1000:

There was talk of a trial to stream TV into homes using fibre - it was a separate feed from the ONT, and was separate to the internet. I never heard the conclusion. Wonder if it is anything alone those lines.

It is a logical move - many ISP's have moved into providing content, so why would a content provider take it lying down and not push back the other way?

Good point. That was announced in May 2018. Its been crickets ever since. Wonder what ever happened to the trial and its findings?

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#2489887 23-May-2020 04:37

If Sky owns an ISP, that probably gives them more ability to have their say to the Goverment in censoring what content people can access. Site blocking censorship for streaming sites etc, like Australia has..

"New Zealand's X largest ISP demands Goverment action on content piracy"

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#2490196 23-May-2020 20:59

DjShadow:

Any ideas on what their ISP will be called? I'd be a bit iffy about joining if the name was "Skynet"

"Skyfall"

Aligns their ISP with their share price.

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#2491174 25-May-2020 16:19

Apsattv:

If Sky owns an ISP, that probably gives them more ability to have their say to the Goverment in censoring what content people can access. Site blocking censorship for streaming sites etc, like Australia has..

"New Zealand's X largest ISP demands Goverment action on content piracy"

I don't think it will matter whether Sky is an ISP or not for that.

Sky kicked up a stink some years ago and got Orcon to drop their 'global mode' feature on the grounds that it was undermining their content rights.

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#2491178 25-May-2020 16:33

elpenguino:

Apsattv:

If Sky owns an ISP, that probably gives them more ability to have their say to the Goverment in censoring what content people can access. Site blocking censorship for streaming sites etc, like Australia has..

"New Zealand's X largest ISP demands Goverment action on content piracy"

I don't think it will matter whether Sky is an ISP or not for that.

Sky kicked up a stink some years ago and got Orcon to drop their 'global mode' feature on the grounds that it was undermining their content rights.

You mean Sky, TVNZ, Lightbox (Spark) and Mediaworks kicked up a stick, dont you?

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#2491191 25-May-2020 16:55

I honestly don't recall. I'll take your word for it.

Point remaining is that rights holders complain about perceived or real disadvantages in other media.

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#2491230 25-May-2020 18:14

elpenguino: I honestly don't recall. I'll take your word for it.

Point remaining is that rights holders complain about perceived or real disadvantages in other media.

You could go one step further with your statement - when two or more self-interested parties, regardless of whether they are individuals or corporates or whichever industry they are in, seek to assert their self-interest then the party with the legally enforceable position will endure.

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#2491231 25-May-2020 18:18

ockel:

You mean Sky, TVNZ, Lightbox (Spark) and Mediaworks kicked up a stick, dont you?

Well, they got their way. How did that work out for them?

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#2491342 25-May-2020 20:44

ockel:

You could go one step further with your statement - when two or more self-interested parties, regardless of whether they are individuals or corporates or whichever industry they are in, seek to assert their self-interest then the party with the legally enforceable position will endure.

Not necessary, even if someone is in the legal right, it costs money to defend in court. So the party that can afford the cost, prepared to take the risk could force another party from finding out whose legally right.

I wished Vodafone would take the company's to court that won't allow programs to be recorded, as the intent of NZ law to allow people to time shift programs. Believe similar cases have been won overseas, but guessing huge cost to fight in court and if for some reason they do lose their product would be in a way worse position then now.

Not sure how Sky providing ISP services will help them commercially, don't believe there's that much margin in the ISP world for them to bundle in to their overpriced entertainment packages. I'm not calling it over priced for sport lovers, but the requirement to buy start up before anything else does for others.

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#2491490 26-May-2020 06:33

rugrat:

Not sure how Sky providing ISP services will help them commercially, don't believe there's that much margin in the ISP world for them to bundle in to their overpriced entertainment packages. I'm not calling it over priced for sport lovers, but the requirement to buy start up before anything else does for others.

These days, BB is pretty reliable, especially if its largely fibre. They may feel that a minimal call centre allows them to offer a BB/Sky package where the BB is at cost, so used as a sticky and as reducing the cost of Sky

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#2491499 26-May-2020 08:00

Given Sky's (and others') legal action to prevent region-switching, I'm wondering what their stance would be on their customers who use alternative DNS services to switch regions? Or how they would handle torrent traffic on their network. It seems to me they would have a strong conflict of interest. You could say the same about Spark, but Sky's existence depends on the sale of digital rights, whereas for Spark it's in the financial noise.

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#2491959 26-May-2020 16:12

tdgeek:
These days, BB is pretty reliable, especially if its largely fibre. They may feel that a minimal call centre allows them to offer a BB/Sky package where the BB is at cost, so used as a sticky and as reducing the cost of Sky

Wouldn’t it be easier to drop the box and less costly then setting up an ISP.
Vodafone TV is in the right direction, but I guess a middle man wanting their cut is keeping the price up there.
Without box no hardware to maintain in people’s houses, and no installers needed so they would be able to lower costs.
It’s a big deal for me to change ISP’s. I found with some smaller ones it didn’t run to well with international links, and if I leave 2degrees I have some deals that may not be able to get back if things go south.

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#2492094 26-May-2020 18:45

rugrat:
tdgeek:

These days, BB is pretty reliable, especially if its largely fibre. They may feel that a minimal call centre allows them to offer a BB/Sky package where the BB is at cost, so used as a sticky and as reducing the cost of Sky

Wouldn’t it be easier to drop the box and less costly then setting up an ISP.
Vodafone TV is in the right direction, but I guess a middle man wanting their cut is keeping the price up there.
Without box no hardware to maintain in people’s houses, and no installers needed so they would be able to lower costs.
It’s a big deal for me to change ISP’s. I found with some smaller ones it didn’t run to well with international links, and if I leave 2degrees I have some deals that may not be able to get back if things go south.

100%

BUT, so many that have Sky love the satellite feed. Its robust. Then there are those that cannot get any TV so need satellite, so that's Skys fault. Yes, I can manage very well with Sky via BB, but if they did that and I got a decent price drop, the bottom line is hit badly. They have lost a lot of subscribers but they also retain a LOT of subscribers. It appears that those MANY that remain, the core, need to be maintained.

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#2492107 26-May-2020 18:49

tdgeek:

BUT, so many that have Sky love the satellite feed. Its robust.

It is also robust for Freeview. This has nothing to do with Sky.

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