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Elpie
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  #618155 1-May-2012 23:32
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aionwannabe: 

unless you plan on waiting till the 670 and 660s are announced that's a pretty decent build, I assume you've read about Ivy-bridge's temperature issues?


Nah, waited long enough. I drooled over the recently-announced GTX690 but that could conceivably come in around $1500 by the time it hits here. That would definitely need a Lotto win!

I've been waiting for Ivy Bridge and expected to see heat issues. It is pretty much a no-brainer that increased thermal density on a smaller process node would result in higher temperatures for the same clock speed as Sandy Bridge. It's going to be interesting to see what temperatures people start reporting now that tests can be run on the release models and in real-world situations. 
However, even so, I am happy to OC just to 4.5GHz and the reports to date indicate that this will be fine. Hitting 5GHz is great on a system that is primarily a gaming rig but my PC is around 80% graphics & development work (plus all the other myriad tasks one uses a PC for) and 20% gaming (if that). 4.5GHz is a bit blerh for gaming but a sweet spot for all the rest. Early reports indicate it's stable and doesn't run hot.  

Did you see this?

Intel's 22-nm process allows Ivy Bridge to consume much less power than its predecessor when running at the same speed. The 3D transistors purportedly offer better performance at low voltages, which is great for mobile applications but perhaps not ideal for overclocked desktop rigs. That said, I'm reasonably impressed with how well Ivy overclocks. The Core i7-3770K was stable at 4.4-4.5GHz without so much as an extra millivolt applied to the CPU. Those speeds only increased system power consumption by a modest amount, so there's no need to invest in an aggressive cooling solution. With our single-fan Frio config, CPU temperatures were in the 50-60°C range under load.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/22833/5




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  #618204 2-May-2012 09:05
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When I got my 2700K I got good cooling so I could upgrade, but I don't think the CPU's a bottleneck at all, so I didn't bother. Disk (even SSDs) are the biggest bottleneck, but even getting data in fast enough from RAM is an issue with this speed of CPU.

If I was running multiple VMs I'd get 32GB.

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  #618323 2-May-2012 13:03
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Elpie: My new build order was placed today too. Build details:

Intel 520 Series 120GB 2.5" SATA3 6GB/s 34nm SSD
Intel 320 Series 80GB 3GB/S 25NM SSD
Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB 6Gb/s SATA3.
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 32MB 6Gb/s SATA3.


what's the rationale behind this? is one SSD for the O/S, another so you can work with some of your data faster than off a HDD? and the HDDs themselves for storage, or something like that?



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  #618328 2-May-2012 13:08
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Personally I have:
- one 60GB SSD for OS and programs, having it separate makes backups easier.
- one 12GB SSD for cache and data I want quickly
- a bunch of spinning disks for bulk data storage

I presume the OP has done similar.

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  #618332 2-May-2012 13:14
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ImHighAs: You wont get PCI 3.0 on if you go with sandy bridge though.


PCI-E 3.0 is a motherboard feature not a cpu one isn't it? So Core i5 2500K on Z77 motherboard would still give you PCI-E 3.0.

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  #618389 2-May-2012 14:57
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I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0

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  #618461 2-May-2012 17:31
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TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


Apparently so.

 
 
 

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  #618629 2-May-2012 22:02
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TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)

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  #618639 2-May-2012 22:56
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Lykho:
Elpie: My new build order was placed today too. Build details:

Intel 520 Series 120GB 2.5" SATA3 6GB/s 34nm SSD
Intel 320 Series 80GB 3GB/S 25NM SSD
Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 64MB 6Gb/s SATA3.
Seagate Barracuda 1TB 32MB 6Gb/s SATA3.


what's the rationale behind this? is one SSD for the O/S, another so you can work with some of your data faster than off a HDD? and the HDDs themselves for storage, or something like that?


The 520 SSD is for the OS and major apps. The 320 SSD is for games (programs only, not data). The HDD's are for data. Apps that are temporary or where speed is not an issue will also go on the spinners. 

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  #618644 2-May-2012 23:02
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Lykho:
TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)


Yep. You need to have a PCIe 3.0 motherboard AND an Ivy Bridge processor. Without having both you are stuck with PCIe 2.

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  #618645 2-May-2012 23:10
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I find it odd that they decided to push PCI-E 3.0 at a time where we have barely scratched the surface for a need for it yet fail to really do anything to increase the total PCI-E lanes supported despite an actual need for it.

In most if not all Intel boards you have to chose between sacrificing all but one slot or being limited by x8 speeds, I hoped they would fix that before looking much into PCI-E 3.0.

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  #618657 3-May-2012 00:35
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Elpie:
Lykho:
TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)


Yep. You need to have a PCIe 3.0 motherboard AND an Ivy Bridge processor. Without having both you are stuck with PCIe 2.


isn't IvyBridge an Intel thing?

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  #618661 3-May-2012 01:03
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Lykho:
Elpie:
Lykho:
TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)


Yep. You need to have a PCIe 3.0 motherboard AND an Ivy Bridge processor. Without having both you are stuck with PCIe 2.


isn't IvyBridge an Intel thing?


Ivy Bridge is a series of Intel Processors.

PCI-E 3.0 is NOT however an Intel Proprietary technology.

I believe the connection to Ivy Bridge is due to Intel's choice of integrating the PCI-E Controller into the CPU rather than the Motherboard Chipset (Or something to that effect)

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  #618663 3-May-2012 02:59
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lucky015:
Lykho:
Elpie:
Lykho:
TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)


Yep. You need to have a PCIe 3.0 motherboard AND an Ivy Bridge processor. Without having both you are stuck with PCIe 2.


isn't IvyBridge an Intel thing?


Ivy Bridge is a series of Intel Processors.

PCI-E 3.0 is NOT however an Intel Proprietary technology.

I believe the connection to Ivy Bridge is due to Intel's choice of integrating the PCI-E Controller into the CPU rather than the Motherboard Chipset (Or something to that effect)


my 2.0 can get speeds up to 30MB/s, my 3.0 can get consistent 50-67MB/s (not sure if my 5400rpm drive onboard is a bottleneck). ...what would Ivy Bridge do for me? I mean, it looks like I'm not stuck on 2.0...

p.s.
sorry @ OP for having this tangent in your thread.

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  #618664 3-May-2012 03:11
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Lykho:
lucky015:
Lykho:
Elpie:
Lykho:
TheLink: I believe you need Ivy bridge to enable PCI-E 3.0 otherwise it reverts back to PCI-E 2.0


does AMD have any comparable issue? (I'm currently struggling to get good write speed with USB 3)


Yep. You need to have a PCIe 3.0 motherboard AND an Ivy Bridge processor. Without having both you are stuck with PCIe 2.


isn't IvyBridge an Intel thing?


Ivy Bridge is a series of Intel Processors.

PCI-E 3.0 is NOT however an Intel Proprietary technology.

I believe the connection to Ivy Bridge is due to Intel's choice of integrating the PCI-E Controller into the CPU rather than the Motherboard Chipset (Or something to that effect)


my 2.0 can get speeds up to 30MB/s, my 3.0 can get consistent 50-67MB/s (not sure if my 5400rpm drive onboard is a bottleneck). ...what would Ivy Bridge do for me? I mean, it looks like I'm not stuck on 2.0...

p.s.
sorry @ OP for having this tangent in your thread.


I believe you are referring to USB 2.0 and 3.0 which is different to PCI-E standards.

USB 2.0 has a maximum throughput of approx 480Mbps, USB 3.0 has a maximum throughput of 5,000Mbps, There should be ample throughput to allow it to max out the speed of the drive.

This could mean you are using a substandard drive enclosure however as you mentioned a 5400rpm it is more likely the drive is the problem.

5400rpm sounds to me like it is either a 2.5 Inch or Western Digital Green drive and drives at these speeds are not built for high throughput and likely could be the cause of your speed issues.

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