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  #383619 23-Sep-2010 14:22
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Interesting. Thanks mate



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  #383634 23-Sep-2010 15:09
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stupid Q - does ps3 play 3D onto a normal plasma tv? what the difference between normal & 3D tvs?

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  #383689 23-Sep-2010 16:35
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As far as I know you have to have a 3D capable TV LCD or Plasma before you can get it to work with the PS3. Current technology in the new 3D tellies at the moment require electronic 3D glasses that have to be synched to the televisions to create the 3D effect.

But there are 3D TVs out there that can create the 3D effect without the need for glasses, at around $15,000 for the cost..

The two types of technology used are stereoscopic and autostereoscopic displays for 3D TVs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3D_television




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  #383718 23-Sep-2010 17:16
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The HDMI spec has more to do with the fact that the Televisions you are connecting to do not have the specification. The PS3 can update it's firmware to support updated HDMI spec's as its internal hardware is more than capable. ?The Televisions you connect to have hardware that is designed to meet the spec they are building to at the time(aka 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4), and most Televisions are not able to be updated to newer firmware by the consumer, so you're stuck with what you originally paid for. ?
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  #383723 23-Sep-2010 17:29
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macuser: The HDMI spec has more to do with the fact that the Televisions you are connecting to do not have the specification. The PS3 can update it's firmware to support updated HDMI spec's as its internal hardware is more than capable. ?The Televisions you connect to have hardware that is designed to meet the spec they are building to at the time(aka 1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4), and most Televisions are not able to be updated to newer firmware by the consumer, so you're stuck with what you originally paid for. ?
??


I don't think that's right really. Though it looks like they can do a fair bit with the firmware side it seems constrained by the actual output capability of the HDMI interface.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/how-the-ps3-will-playback-3d-blu-ray-without-hdmi-1-4/

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  #383766 23-Sep-2010 19:37
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Just a note on the bandwith differences, Cat 2 (high speed) 1.3 cables have the same thruput capabilities as 1.4. The only difference is the ethernet link is missing in 1.3 and no audio return link
The processing chips in 1.3 only support up to 1920x1200p/60, whereas in 1.4 it is 4k x 2k (4096x2160/24p)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hdmi




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  #383973 24-Sep-2010 11:04
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Rollux: 1.4 it is 4k x 2k (4096x2160/24p)



That's the same resolution used in Lucas-Arts 3D digital theatres.

Huuuuge..

 
 
 

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  #384007 24-Sep-2010 12:11
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Yep, it's supposedly going to be the new Hi Def for big screen tv's.




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  #384016 24-Sep-2010 12:35
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Saweet! That type of resolution would utilize Blu-Rays to their full potential.

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  #384039 24-Sep-2010 13:36
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stuzzo:
cgrew:
langi27: ok maybe this is the answer.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/how-the-ps3-will-playback-3d-blu-ray-without-hdmi-1-4/


Sorry for my ignorance, but if the HDMI cable itself is 1.4a speed capable?then won't that push dual 1080P through the pipes for 3D content? Or does the actual port on the PS3 have to support 1.4a for this?

Cheers.


The PS3 and the TV both have an HDMI chip, the cable is just dumb wires.

The chips have a certain capacity to process and output the signal and HDMI 1.4 is higher capacity than 1.3.

It appears that with the PS3 Sony have managed to get enough data /signal through the 1.3 interface to do 3D but may have had to constrict the maximum output to 1080i per channel and lower res. audio.


I think this is wrong. According to this its 1080p per eye/channel but lossy audio only. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5172

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  #384054 24-Sep-2010 13:52
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cgrew: Saweet! That type of resolution would utilize Blu-Rays to their full potential.

How? BR max res is 1080p, it's already been stated.

I've no doubt we'll see 4K TVs, but I'm not convinced there'll ever be a need for them. You've seen this chart before: http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

How close do you want to sit to your 100" TV?

Direct retinal projection or brain implant is where it's at!

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  #384071 24-Sep-2010 14:26
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cgrew: Saweet! That type of resolution would utilize Blu-Rays to their full potential.

Yeah Full HD TV's already show bluray to it's full potential.

I modified this ages ago before I knew how to upload images.  Here it is in all it's metric glory, well screen size is commonly inches anyway though.  It gets used a bit but I'm not entirely convinced by it all the same.


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  #384088 24-Sep-2010 14:52
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Philica:
stuzzo:
cgrew:
langi27: ok maybe this is the answer.

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/how-the-ps3-will-playback-3d-blu-ray-without-hdmi-1-4/


Sorry for my ignorance, but if the HDMI cable itself is 1.4a speed capable?then won't that push dual 1080P through the pipes for 3D content? Or does the actual port on the PS3 have to support 1.4a for this?

Cheers.


The PS3 and the TV both have an HDMI chip, the cable is just dumb wires.

The chips have a certain capacity to process and output the signal and HDMI 1.4 is higher capacity than 1.3.

It appears that with the PS3 Sony have managed to get enough data /signal through the 1.3 interface to do 3D but may have had to constrict the maximum output to 1080i per channel and lower res. audio.


I think this is wrong. According to this its 1080p per eye/channel but lossy audio only. http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5172


Interesting so it is 1080P per eye but still only standard DTS & DD

Nice.

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  #384090 24-Sep-2010 14:55
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bazzer:
cgrew: Saweet! That type of resolution would utilize Blu-Rays to their full potential.

How? BR max res is 1080p, it's already been stated.

I've no doubt we'll see 4K TVs, but I'm not convinced there'll ever be a need for them. You've seen this chart before: http://s3.carltonbale.com/resolution_chart.png

How close do you want to sit to your 100" TV?

Direct retinal projection or brain implant is where it's at!


I presumed with 50+ gigabytes of storage space per BR disc there would be potential for better resolution/colour and audio for the future?

Brain implants..? For what?

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cgrew: I presumed with 50+ gigabytes of storage space per BR disc there would be potential for better resolution/colour and audio for the future?

Brain implants..? For what?

As far as I know the standard doesn't allow for higher res, its not so much an issue about whether it would fit or not.

Brain implants are so you can plug your PS5 straight into your head and it directly stimulates your visual cortex! (or something like that Wink)

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