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imd6662

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#119355 29-May-2013 12:03
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We are experiencing extremely poor internet performance on the wireless devices in our home.

Our internet connection is a TC cable-based Warpspeed connection which regularly reports almost nominal 100/10 speeds on a PC directly connected by a Gigabit port to our TPLink WDR3600 router.

However, performance on our wireless devices is extremely variable and volatile, ranging from increasingly rare periods with reasonable performance (around 15/3), to increasing periods with performance unusably slow.

It is possible that the problems are exacerbated by some TC network issues and there is a thread about that here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=40&topicid=119353

However it also seems like wireless performance could be an issue. Bizarrely things 'seem' to have got worse since I replaced our old Linksys WRT54G router with the newer TPLink WDR3600.  While peak performance has improved (at times), overall performance is terrible.

The problem is that using simpl wifi monitoring and analysis tools I cannot see an obvious glaring cause for the performance problems.

Although it's a dual-band router we're effectively only using 2.4Ghz because of the range limitations on the 5GhZ band. As usual, we are surrounded by other 2.4GhZ networks. We are using channel 11 and have neighbours on channels 6, 9, and - more strongly - 1. We tend to see signal strengths of around -70 to -80 and sometimes up to -60 whereas the other networks are all -80 or worse.

Connection speed reported on my Samsung 9 laptop fluctuates wildly from 1.0 to 144.0 Mbps but most commonly around 50-65Mbps with about 3-4 or sometimes 5 bars. 

I suspect that very poor performance is closely associated with  virtually no speed upstream, probably leading to connection problems that affect downloads. This also seems to be correlated with failure to connect in speedtest and extremely long, variable, or no responses to pinging the router.

Another aggravating factor may be the presence in the house of a uTorrent user. I suspect that this contributes to saturating the uplink at times, exacerbating the overall problem, but is not the whole story as the same problem happens when the uTorrenter is off being a productive member of society.

I'd be grateful for any suggestions about what the problem might be, or even better, methods and tools to accurately identify the root cause.

 







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  #828305 30-May-2013 14:22
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1) The utorrent user could be maxing out the NAT table in the router. Usually when this happens, the nat table will fill up wiith open connections, and then no new connections (such as the 10 required to pull up the google homepage) can be opened by other users.

2) 802.11g will max out at 22megabits. Even though it says 54mbit on the box, it adds an additional 50% to the packet size as it goes through the air for things like error correction. So a 54mbit connection is only capable of half that.

3) 802.11n has about a 60% actual data thruput with things like packet aggregation turned on. So a 104mbit 802.11n connection is capable of 60% of that - just over 60mbits.

4) Any noise above -90 will cause you issues if they are on the same channel either side of you.
Your best bet is to move to channel 13, if all your devices have worldwide chipsets in them. If a device only has a USA chipset in it then it wont pick up access points or routers on channel 13.
13 is legal to use in NZ and is generally the cleanest channel in most urban areas because many devices like phones and laptops dont support it.

If anything is on the 2 channels either side of you they will also interfere. Eg. Channels 2-3-4 will interfere with channel 1
Channels 3-4-5,7-8-9 will interfere with channel 6. There is a common saying - 1,6,11 are the only non overlapping channels which means only three access points can exist in an area without interference.

Often i find the best solution is to turn down the power on the master router, and use a smaller antenna.
Then put an access point up the other end of the house, and use a pair of homeplug adapters or cat5 cable to backhaul it to the main router.





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  #829089 31-May-2013 23:35
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Have you asked the uTorrent user whether uTorrent is off when they are out? Usually it runs in the background and saturates uplinks and NAT connections etc, and users have to leave their computers running 24/7 to get slow downloads.




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