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#273369 18-Aug-2020 20:52

Hi All, I have been reading up on all the forums for a network cabinet and running Ethernet cables. I think I have most of it sorted just need to confirm what I need in the network cabinet. I need at least 18 Ethernet ports across the following rooms,

-Bedroom 2 Ports (TV and apple TV)

-Bedroom 4 Ports (TV, Vodafone TV, Soundbar

-Study 2 (With 8 port TP switch) (Laptop, printer ect)

- Lounge 1= 6 ports (tv,sound bar, xbox, apple TV, Bluray, Orbi)

-Lounge 2 = 4 ports (TV, soundbar,playstation, apple tv)

For the network cabinet, i am looking at a recessed cabinet 28inch Dynamic, Router and ONT and a patch panel. I dont quite understand network switches do i need at 24 POE switch as i have 18 connections needed?. I want to also plug in my ORBI to one of the ports in the second lounge and connected it to a TP switch so my soundbar,xbox and apple tv are all on the same network for the BOSE and SONOS apps. Would this still be possible?. The other question i have is do all network cabinets need a fan?. I am guessing i will also need to run cable from the cabinet to somewhere for the phone as well?.Cheers

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#2544014 18-Aug-2020 21:07

5V and 12V gear won’t need a fan nor will a 24 port switch if it has breathing space Ie not flush in the wall

I put Aruba 24 2930F PoE switches into 450 deep 8RU cabinets no problem along with the ONtT patch panel and cable management but it’s not flush mounted

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#2544026 18-Aug-2020 21:35

nztim: 5V and 12V gear won’t need a fan nor will a 24 port switch if it has breathing space Ie not flush in the wall

I put Aruba 24 2930F PoE switches into 450 deep 8RU cabinets no problem along with the ONtT patch panel and cable management but it’s not flush mounted

Thank you, that’s great about the fan. I will have a look at the Aruba switch looks pretty good, was thinking a bit slightly cheaper:)

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#2544029 18-Aug-2020 21:46

Stu1:
nztim: 5V and 12V gear won’t need a fan nor will a 24 port switch if it has breathing space Ie not flush in the wall

I put Aruba 24 2930F PoE switches into 450 deep 8RU cabinets no problem along with the ONtT patch panel and cable management but it’s not flush mounted

Thank you, that’s great about the fan. I will have a look at the Aruba switch looks pretty good, was thinking a bit slightly cheaper:)

Not suggesting by any means that you should buy enterprise gear :) this is more about the surface vs flush mount cabinets :)

If it was just the ONt and Router you could get away with a flush mount, but for the 24 port poe switch you will need surface mount for airflow

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#2544033 18-Aug-2020 22:01

You don't need a POE switch unless you intend to power all those devices just with power from the ethernet port which from the looks of them sounds very unlikely!

Normal switch is fine

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#2544036 18-Aug-2020 22:10

Tzoi:
You don't need a POE switch unless you intend to power all those devices just with power from the ethernet port which from the looks of them sounds very unlikely!

Normal switch is fine

They will be all powered normally I don’t really understand the switch part. If can get away with a normal switch then that would be great. The only thing I did think about was if I ever got wired security cameras then a POE would be the better option?. Is it possible to get a standard switch connected to patch panel then swap it out later to a POE if needed?

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#2544048 18-Aug-2020 22:30

Yes with security cameras, they are often POE, and some wireless access points are also often POE. But you can always get a POE injector or a separate switch with POE ports if needed

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#2544052 18-Aug-2020 22:41

Stu1:

Hi All, I have been reading up on all the forums for a network cabinet and running Ethernet cables. I think I have most of it sorted just need to confirm what I need in the network cabinet. I need at least 18 Ethernet ports across the following rooms,

You probably can't get an 18 port patch panel anyway, but allow for future expansion by getting the next size up, mebbe even a 32 port patch panel.

It's inevitable to add more.

I've retro-fitted cable to my house and it's awesome having full speed everywhere - enjoy your project !

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#2544080 18-Aug-2020 23:14

elpenguino:
Stu1:

Hi All, I have been reading up on all the forums for a network cabinet and running Ethernet cables. I think I have most of it sorted just need to confirm what I need in the network cabinet. I need at least 18 Ethernet ports across the following rooms,

You probably can't get an 18 port patch panel anyway, but allow for future expansion by getting the next size up, mebbe even a 32 port patch panel.

It's inevitable to add more.

I've retro-fitted cable to my house and it's awesome having full speed everywhere - enjoy your project !

Defiantly allow for more, its a never ending project!

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#2544278 19-Aug-2020 09:59

Thanks guys for all the great advice think I have enough to go on and have learnt a lot from the advice and the other forums. Next steps work out if I can do most of it myself least run the cables and get some one to connect them, I will have to get chorus in to move the ont . Thanks again for all your help this is a great community

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#2544458 19-Aug-2020 14:03

Stu1:

- Bedroom 4 Ports (TV, Vodafone TV, Soundbar

- Lounge 1= 6 ports (tv,sound bar, xbox, apple TV, Bluray, Orbi)

-Lounge 2 = 4 ports (TV, soundbar,playstation, apple tv)

for those rooms are the devices all in basically the same place (i.e. not on different walls?)

If so I'd install cheap 4-8port gigabit switches in those locations and cut the number of cable runs (and wall plates) - none of those devices is going to get anywhere near to saturating a gigabit link, so no need for separate runs back to the main switch

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#2544871 20-Aug-2020 07:27

bignose:
Stu1:

- Bedroom 4 Ports (TV, Vodafone TV, Soundbar

- Lounge 1= 6 ports (tv,sound bar, xbox, apple TV, Bluray, Orbi)

-Lounge 2 = 4 ports (TV, soundbar,playstation, apple tv)

for those rooms are the devices all in basically the same place (i.e. not on different walls?)

If so I'd install cheap 4-8port gigabit switches in those locations and cut the number of cable runs (and wall plates) - none of those devices is going to get anywhere near to saturating a gigabit link, so no need for separate runs back to the main switch

I was thinking that for the first lounge, the second one the tv will be wall mounted I was looking at 2 ports behind the tv on the wall and 2 at the bottom for a laptop or a gaming machine . I might just run one to each bedroom and run a switch . Thanks for the advice

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#2545272 20-Aug-2020 14:18

Stu1:

I was thinking that for the first lounge, the second one the tv will be wall mounted I was looking at 2 ports behind the tv on the wall and 2 at the bottom for a laptop or a gaming machine . I might just run one to each bedroom and run a switch . Thanks for the advice

running local switches not only cuts the number of cable runs needed - it also means you can run a smaller central switch (lower cost and more importantly lower power - trying to fit a 24+ port switch in an in-wall cable bay is hard enough, trying to get the heat from it out is another)

with the advent of cheap 2.5gbe/5gbe switches you can always just speed up the uplink if needed (I hanging out for stocks of the new qnap 5*2.5gbe $200 switch for exactly that use)

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#2545294 20-Aug-2020 15:04

bignose:

Stu1:

I was thinking that for the first lounge, the second one the tv will be wall mounted I was looking at 2 ports behind the tv on the wall and 2 at the bottom for a laptop or a gaming machine . I might just run one to each bedroom and run a switch . Thanks for the advice

running local switches not only cuts the number of cable runs needed - it also means you can run a smaller central switch (lower cost and more importantly lower power - trying to fit a 24+ port switch in an in-wall cable bay is hard enough, trying to get the heat from it out is another)

with the advent of cheap 2.5gbe/5gbe switches you can always just speed up the uplink if needed (I hanging out for stocks of the new qnap 5*2.5gbe $200 switch for exactly that use)

Personally, I hate the clutter of the extra power adapter, switch and ethernet cables where I need to have more than one device, so I opted to install more cables. After all, cable is cheap and if I'm running one cable to a room, it takes little extra work to make that 2,3 or 4 cables.

Having extra cables also makes it easier (less cluttered) when you have a mix of POE and standard devices at the remote position.

If OP is planning 18 terminations, I imagine only some of those will be in use so a smaller switch can be used, at least to start with.

I'm glad I had a whole cupboard to play with and didn't have to squeeze into too tight a space - one recommendation to OP would be "get some 19 inch rack space to play with".

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#2545365 20-Aug-2020 16:07

I was looking at this cabinet and gear, not enough room?

https://cdlnz.com/HWS-2803WRV2-5

https://cdlnz.com/PP-C6-24

https://cdlnz.com/GS-1026V2

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#2545369 20-Aug-2020 16:18

Stu1: I was looking at this cabinet and gear, not enough room?

https://cdlnz.com/HWS-2803WRV2-5

https://cdlnz.com/PP-C6-24

https://cdlnz.com/GS-1026V2

that patch panel is for use in a standard 19" rack - in one of those in-wall bays you need a surface mount patch panel (like this - in your case you'll need multiple) : https://cdlnz.com/PP-MINI12-C6B

similarly that switch will work great in a rack - but it'll eat a lot of room (espec with the cabling) in an in-wall - if you do want 24 ports than something like this that's double row will save a heap of space https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/SWHNGR722320/NETGEAR-SOHO-GS324-24-Port-Gigabit-Unmanaged-Switc

I presume you're going to have the ONT and router in the bay as well?

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