Slow Speed's Over Cat 5 UTP?

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TimmyJackson

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#1905894 22-Nov-2017 17:22

bignose:

cat5 should be able to handle gigabit over short-ish runs unless it's trully awful, given your link speed is only 100mbits there's a good chance you've got issues either at the patch board or at the wall sockets and don't have all 4 pairs wired correctly (100 only needs the outer pairs) - grab yourself a cheap ethernet cable tester and check for crossed-over pairs etc (you'll need it anyway if you go ahead and replace that awful/ugly patch board with a proper modern distribution panel)

Purchasing a tester as we speak!

What modern distribution panel do you recommend?

Talkiet:

TimmyJackson:

Gotcha yes the Latency dose increase to around 34 ms when testing to the local spark server in Christchurch, that to me also seams abnormally high?

Yes, that's too high... Try pinging 219.88.188.134 please... If you're in Chch it should be 2-4ms...

Cheers - N

ping 219.88.188.134
PING 219.88.188.134 (219.88.188.134) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from 219.88.188.134: icmp_seq=1 ttl=59 time=39.0 ms
64 bytes from 219.88.188.134: icmp_seq=2 ttl=59 time=34.4 ms
64 bytes from 219.88.188.134: icmp_seq=3 ttl=59 time=34.4 ms
64 bytes from 219.88.188.134: icmp_seq=4 ttl=59 time=34.4 ms
64 bytes from 219.88.188.134: icmp_seq=5 ttl=59 time=33.5 ms
^C
--- 219.88.188.134 ping statistics ---
5 packets transmitted, 5 received, 0% packet loss, time 4005ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.589/35.194/39.008/1.940 ms

traceroute to 219.88.188.134 (219.88.188.134), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets
1 localdomain (192.168.1.1) 0.579 ms 0.745 ms 0.915 ms
2 100.72.0.1 (100.72.0.1) 34.656 ms 34.667 ms 34.708 ms
3 10.200.1.24 (10.200.1.24) 34.816 ms 34.855 ms 34.893 ms
4 10.200.1.24 (10.200.1.24) 34.749 ms * *
5 x1-1-1-200.akcr11.global-gateway.net.nz (122.56.118.89) 34.933 ms 34.973 ms 35.012 ms
6 mdr-ip24-dom.msc.global-gateway.net.nz (122.56.116.10) 35.076 ms 34.384 ms 34.406 ms
7 cache.google.com (219.88.188.129) 36.383 ms 34.272 ms 34.250 ms

Yeah Christchurch based.. ManOhMan there is some serious issues here!

TimmyJackson

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#1905899 22-Nov-2017 17:28

Talkiet:

Oh, although they have improved the web app recently, please use the windows 10 Ookla speedtest app. It's more reliable.

Cheers - N

What is this Windows 10 you speak of? Jokes, I'm on Linux I could use this https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli

or I guess I could boot my Windows Partition..

Talkiet

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#1905900 22-Nov-2017 17:30

Hmmm. Are you sure you're on Spark? Not Bigpipe or Skinny?

Cheers - N

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Talkiet

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#1905902 22-Nov-2017 17:31

TimmyJackson:

Talkiet:

Oh, although they have improved the web app recently, please use the windows 10 Ookla speedtest app. It's more reliable.

Cheers - N

What is this Windows 10 you speak of? Jokes, I'm on Linux I could use this https://github.com/sivel/speedtest-cli

or I guess I could boot my Windows Partition..

I know all about speedtest-cli. It might be ok for 100Mb, but in our testing it is no-where near suitable for testing gig lines. The windows 10 app is better :-)

Cheers - N

Please note all comments are from my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

TimmyJackson

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#1905906 22-Nov-2017 17:43

Talkiet:

Hmmm. Are you sure you're on Spark? Not Bigpipe or Skinny?

Cheers - N

Wait sorry we are with camp Skinny, I will update my post zzz

Spark was coming up on SpeedTest.net and I must of got my wires crossed when I was writing this post apologies.

Is that normal ping time for skinny? I know we are behind a Carrier Grade Nat Unfortunately.

Talkiet:

I know all about speedtest-cli. It might be ok for 100Mb, but in our testing it is no-where near suitable for testing gig lines. The windows 10 app is better :-)

Cheers - N

Okay I Will Download and do some tests tonight.

Thanks

Talkiet

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#1905923 22-Nov-2017 18:59

TimmyJackson:

Talkiet:

Hmmm. Are you sure you're on Spark? Not Bigpipe or Skinny?

Cheers - N

Wait sorry we are with camp Skinny, I will update my post zzz

Spark was coming up on SpeedTest.net and I must of got my wires crossed when I was writing this post apologies.

Is that normal ping time for skinny? I know we are behind a Carrier Grade Nat Unfortunately.

Talkiet:

I know all about speedtest-cli. It might be ok for 100Mb, but in our testing it is no-where near suitable for testing gig lines. The windows 10 app is better :-)

Cheers - N

Okay I Will Download and do some tests tonight.

Thanks

Yes that latency is normal given how the Skinny network is currently built. You could try manually selecting the Auckland Spark speedtest server... That way the traffic only has to go there and back, not there and back and there and back :-)

Cheers - N

Please note all comments are from my own brain and don't necessarily represent the position or opinions of my employer, previous employers, colleagues, friends or pets.

webwat

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#1906289 23-Nov-2017 12:04

TimmyJackson:

Zeon:

Probably the first post I have ever seen like this :). Cat5 is rated for 100mbps and unless its really poor quality you should be fine. It is possible if it has been bent too much in the wall it has attenuation (is it solid core)? More likely though is the quality of the termination/punchdown. Can you provide photos of this?

Hi Zeon,

Thanks for the reply, yeah the Cable to my eye doesn't look of too poor quality, There's no solid core, Here's a photo of the cable:

Photo 1 Cat 5 UTP

Photo 2 Patch Panel

The Grey Cables are the patch cables going out to the router.

Photo 3 Close Up of Patch Panel

Photo 4 Punch Tool I'm using - just for fun ;p

As for the punch down, is that the correct way to complete this kind of Job? I stripped the cable first before punching it, is that correct?

Let me know what you think.

Cheers,
Timmy

That is not actually a patch panel, its actually what we normally call 10 pair Krone modules and designed for phone lines only (ie Cat.3) but you can get 8 pair Cat.5e or Cat.6 data ones if you really want to use them that badly instead of an actual patch panel. They need the wires to be punched in directly without being stripped, and supposed to be solid cable not stranded patch cables (although stranded may work well enough). Your tool is the correct one for Krone blocks, but I would recommend you maintain the wire twist up to the termination and change to Cat.5e hardware.

I may still have an old Cat.5 surface-mount patch panel somewhere (so its older than Cat.5e), if you are around Auckland I could drop it off or help you put it in. Of course patch panels require RJ45 patch cables...

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webwat

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#1906338 23-Nov-2017 12:31

If you want to go and buy a patch panel, anything of at least Cat.5e will do the job but but patch panels need a 110 punch tool. Without a 19" rack to mount it on, I would recommend a cheap surface-mount panel but you could try the home-hub type which may fit into that box.

Time to find a new industry!

TimmyJackson

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#1907114 24-Nov-2017 13:59

webwat:

That is not actually a patch panel, its actually what we normally call 10 pair Krone modules and designed for phone lines only (ie Cat.3) but you can get 8 pair Cat.5e or Cat.6 data ones if you really want to use them that badly instead of an actual patch panel. They need the wires to be punched in directly without being stripped, and supposed to be solid cable not stranded patch cables (although stranded may work well enough). Your tool is the correct one for Krone blocks, but I would recommend you maintain the wire twist up to the termination and change to Cat.5e hardware.

I may still have an old Cat.5 surface-mount patch panel somewhere (so its older than Cat.5e), if you are around Auckland I could drop it off or help you put it in. Of course patch panels require RJ45 patch cables...

Hi WebWat,

Cheers for the info and Thank you for the offer however I'm down in Christchurch currently.

So I have made some progress fixing up our LAN

Turns out I had two different standards wired up... Type A at the patch panel and Type B on the Jacks, =/

After getting the Ethernet tester I quickly Diagnosed the issue, Also originally only two of the pairs were hooked up and one pair was left for the phone line.

I then wired all 4 pairs to the Type B configuration at both ends and and BOOM 1GBS is now running over CAT5!

Thank you guys for all the help getting this sorted!

Question for Bonus Points dose anyone know if you can get 1GBPS running over 2/3 Pairs On CAT5?
As that means I could leave the old school phone lines working as well.

SpeedTest

Cheers,
Timmy

bignose

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#1907117 24-Nov-2017 14:06

Question for Bonus Points dose anyone know if you can get 1GBPS running over 2/3 Pairs On CAT5?
As that means I could leave the old school phone lines working as well.

sorry - GBe absolutely requires all 4 pairs

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