Router upgrade recommendations, coming from Vodafone Ultrahub

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#2347661 2-Nov-2019 19:31

I suspect you have not tried these 60GHz links, quite a bit different to 2.4 and 5Ghz WiFi.

In a residential situation like this, to save digging they are a good option.

By the way as a network engineer with over 40yrs experience I totally understand the correctness in digging in fibre, but realities in this situation I think a wireless solution as suggested is more appropriate.

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#2347662 2-Nov-2019 19:38

Tinkerisk:

Sorry, but "mindblowing" 16Mb/s once was "more than enough" as well. The subject is bandwith, not speed.

I don't really understand what you're saying, a Mbps figure as a quoted is bandwidth.

Given that wireless is likely to be able to do around 1Gbps, I don't see that the current inter-house link needs to cope with 10 or 100Gbps now. Later, if that's needed, the technology to do that is likely to be cheaper.

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#2347663 2-Nov-2019 19:38

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Tinkerisk:

More wireless is like more people talking within a room. The more talk, the harder is a conversation - and no one wonders why it is like that.

Analogy doesn't really apply when dealing with 60 GHz point to point.

Id est. But you still need some kind of "wiring" to the 60 GHz APs for P2P.

Back to topic: a 1Gb/s optical OM4 (fiber is rated for HIGHER speeds) fibre link costs ~90€ in total (approx. 160NZ$) and a little bit of digging, disturbes nobody, is lightning proof and makes no noise. It can be upgraded just by changing the media-converters and/or SFP modules. :-)

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#2347665 2-Nov-2019 19:48

timmmay:

Tinkerisk:

Sorry, but "mindblowing" 16Mb/s once was "more than enough" as well. The subject is bandwith, not speed.

I don't really understand what you're saying, a Mbps figure as a quoted is bandwidth.

Given that wireless is likely to be able to do around 1Gbps, I don't see that the current inter-house link needs to cope with 10 or 100Gbps now. Later, if that's needed, the technology to do that is likely to be cheaper.

I see. It's hard to anticipate. The 30m fiber for 10Gb/s costs today 4$ more than 1Gb/s fiber. So would you burry the 1Gb/s fiber to safe money or the 10 (or 100) Gb/s fibre for later upgrades which will be even more cheaper later on as you pointed out. I didn't say that the other equipment except fibre needs to be rated for 10/100Gb/s TODAY.

But for sure, you can redo the digging to replace the 1Gb/s fiber later again ...

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#2347666 2-Nov-2019 20:06

I'd probably use a duct, and when I needed 10Gbps in 20 years with it costing $1/m you just pull the new fiber through. However, there's no real harm laying better fiber now.

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#2348471 5-Nov-2019 14:42

I'll probably get shot down in flames (not being any kind of expert in these matters... ;-) ), but have you thought about using a mesh network? We have a Netgear Orbi set-up, with one router + satellite. The router is in the room where the internet arrives, and the satellite is about 15 m away on the other side of the house. This gives us rock solid wi-fi throughout the house (and a lot of the garden) with around a dozen things connecting at any one time.

In your case, you would put the router in your house, and the satellite in your brother's house, which might save you a lot of digging. Caveat: I don't know how far apart the elements in the Orbi mesh can be before the backhaul between the two suffers - but it's fine at 15 m with most of a wooden house between them.

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#2405016 22-Jan-2020 20:40

Sorry guys never responded to this. Was just busy with work and life and completely forgot about this.

I've read through all the replies and to be honest what everyone is suggesting is a bit overkill for what I need ( and a bit too complicated for my skill level and a bit too many parts and cost involved.

I know wifi cannot compare to ethernet for gaming but I'm happy as with wifi from about 8 metres away through an internal wall for my ps4 and usually sit on about 30-40 ping within the battlefield menu (not sure how accurate that is?) and my nephew actually plays fortnite in there house and lags randomly.

We don't need perfect hardcore gamer connections but just something abit stronger and more stable.

After reading up a few threads on here and other link I think I've found a decent balance of a solution that would work for me. I just need to confirm with you guys that I'm understanding it correctly and a few other questions.

If I was to hook up a wireless ap using POE at this location where the red x is in this image, which is the laundry with a window with direct line of sight to the back house and about 15m from my nephews ps4 with only a sliding glass door on his end would this be enough to improve there network while I still get a decent signal in my house (If I turn off the ultrahub wireless which I assume would be recommended? )

For the AP I'm thinking of 1 of these

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NETUBI1226/Ubiquiti-UniFi-UAP-AC-LR-Dual-band-AC1350-450867Mb

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NAPTPL0225/TP-Link-Omada-EAP225-MU-MIMO-Dual-Band-AC1350-4508

or this 1 which can be mounted on the ceiling just outside the laundry if that makes things better?

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/NAPTPL0226/TP-Link-Omada-EAP225-Outdoor-MU-MIMO-Dual-Band-AC1

Would really appreciate if someone can give me a rundown of how I would set these up with my ultra hub?

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#2405052 22-Jan-2020 22:16

Also I have no idea what people mean by "controller" in regards to networking after just reading a few threads.

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#2405067 22-Jan-2020 22:53

'controller' is a ubiquiti unifi thing for configuring/monitoring their devices - typically router, switch, access points.

if you're sticking to your $300 budget (and us normal folk do have a budget ceiling), i think a cable is your best bet. an access point at 'red x' will be a marginal improvement.

since it also appears that you are averse to trenching, as has been suggested previously a point-to-point 60ad link to connect the 2 dwellings is the other solution.

[ultrahub] - [ptp link] - [router / access point]

this would use something like the cleverly named mikrotik wireless wire

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#2405099 23-Jan-2020 07:16

Those AP's are all the whole solution for your problem. They're all devices that are designed to be ceiling mounted and radiate a signal downwards and slightly outwards. This is the totally wrong solution to try and cover a separate building.

If you only want to put an AP on the outside of your property to cover the outside property and want low cost the only solution I'd offer is a UniFi Mesh AP and UniFi UMA-D external antenna which will give you 90 degree coverage at 2.4GHz and 45 degree coverage at 5GHz. This is not going to come in under your $300 budget but the simply reality is nothing that will work will - other hardware I'd recommend costs a lot more.

As for a "controller" UniFi hardware requires a software application to be installed on a mobile device or PC for configuration.

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