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#463006 27-Apr-2011 13:28

That type of setup is called "wan bypass" and it's only needed because in NZ our ADSL service uses PPPoA (also used in the UK and other places) as the network protocal instead of PPPoE (used in the US, AU etc).

If we used PPPoE here you router could control the modem. Apparently VDSL will be using PPPoE.

Anyway, that aside.

I thought you were going to go with custom firmware on the router (Gargoyle) for the advanced quotas and usage monitoring etc?

If so you want to setup the modem in half bridge/ip extension, then connect it to the wan port on the router and have the router control NAT/DHCP etc.

Flashing firmware and setting up half bridge requires a bit more tech savvy than the average setup though, so whether you attempt it or not depends on your own confidence level or whether you have some tech savvy mates.

Here's an old guide for setting it up for a Dynalink RTA1320 and Linksys WRT54GL running Tomato firmare it is similar to what you would need to do but not exactly the same as you have difference devices and would probably use Gargoyle firmware.

http://www.ben.geek.nz/2006/11/adsl-routing-solution-in-detail/

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#463022 27-Apr-2011 14:06

If you do flash it and use it in half bridge mode for advanced quotas etc, you'll have to plug everything into the router, you won't be able to use any of the other ports on the modem. (You'll have to plug your main desktop into the router, not the modem)

re Ragnors bit above.

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#463097 27-Apr-2011 18:03

Thanks Ragnor and kyhwana2

Ragnor - thanks for remembering; I AM intending to flash with Gargoyle, but figured I'd better get used to tinkering again first, so I didn't freak out and brick the router ;) Turns out it is just as well I waited, having forgotten the need to do what we just did :)

kyhwana2 - thanks for the pointers, definitely in the "worth knowing about" category ;)

The latest putting me off flashing with Gargoyle is the apparent complexity - some routers need to do a, b, sub part 3c back to b1 and so on, others seem to be a "point the upgrade firmware button at .xyz file and ta-daa"! Not sure yet, need to read over a few more times, since TP-Link are listed as has been done but not by the Gargoyle folks kwim?

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#495264 19-Jul-2011 13:34

Ok, so Ragnor can stop holding his breath:

I'm about to flash the router with Gargoyle, and it is the simple "Point the update firmware button at the file to be used" type: apparently there are enough of us using the TL-WR1043ND to warrant a separate instruction page over at Gargoyle.

Before I do: any last tips, pointers etc?

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#495275 19-Jul-2011 13:51

I'm feeling really stupid: like I had brain cells but now they're useless.

I need to make sure that before I do the whole flash the modem thing, that I actually have the rest of the network plugged in properly.

Ok: the modem is plugged into one of the router's LAN ports.
All other computers are wireless, mine is a desktop which uses a cable to the network socket in the wall.
I trace this back through to the room where the modem is (router two floors up, top of stairwell as better coverage than in the concrete lined store-room the modem resides in) and find I have my computer plugged (via switch thingy with lots of sockets) to the back of the MODEM!!!!! I think I've gone barmy - someone shoot me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Aren't I meant to be plugged into the back of the router (via the switch setup) I mean shouldn't the switch be plugged into the back of the router, so if a cable outlet is needed elsewhere in the house it is all working through the router.

I can't believe that I don't get this now - and that I blithely set up the whole of our first home network including assigning ip addy's etc.

I'm going to go and pretend to be having a think now (really I'm having a sulk)

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#496245 21-Jul-2011 13:11

And now everyone shall be happy!

I re-did the cables into the router, the modem and the switch thingy: they are all as they should have been, and they all work :)

(not feeling quite so dumb now)

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#496571 22-Jul-2011 10:30

Yep in half bridge/ip extension the modem/router just acts as a "dumb modem" sends all traffic to the main router/switch/access point so you need to plug your cables into the main router.

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#496607 22-Jul-2011 11:36

Thanks Ragnor.

I've just about plucked up enough courage to put Gargoyle on the router now. I'll check first to see what's involved in the bandwidth control setup. I know it includes going back to fixed IP addresses.

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#497118 23-Jul-2011 15:30

Ok, done!

Gargoyle now on router

Just realised that the modem and the router now have the same IP address, which is why I've unplugged the router for now.

So which do I change - the modem or the router? They are both currently with the default of 192.168.1.1

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#497257 24-Jul-2011 05:28

Either one, I normally make the modem 192.168.0.1

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#497362 24-Jul-2011 15:54

Changed modem IP to 192.168.0.1

Wouldn't let me save and reboot until I redid the numbers for
Enable DHCP Server
Start IP Address: 192.168.0.100
End IP Address: 192.168.0.200
Leased Time (hour): 24

I'm guessing this will be ignored if I do the half bridge thing on the modem now.

BTW anyone care to talk me through the steps for that on the TP-Link TD8840?

All help appreciated :) Advanced : LAN

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#497366 24-Jul-2011 16:48

That's meant to include the following pic:

advanced setup

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#497367 24-Jul-2011 16:52

grrrr ... it wasn't showing before

Any to the Bonus Stupid Questions for Today:

Question #1 - how do I set up half bridging in the modem? I know I'm supposed to know this, but the modem doesn't seem to have any obvious setting for this. Is it a simple "check the PPP IP extension box" in the quick setup thingy?

And Extra Bonus: Question #2 - is the "use static IP address" below the PPP IP extension bit for the connection between me and my ISP?

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#497369 24-Jul-2011 16:55

Ragnor: That type of setup is called "wan bypass" and it's only needed because in NZ our ADSL service uses PPPoA (also used in the UK and other places) as the network protocal instead of PPPoE (used in the US, AU etc).

If we used PPPoE here you router could control the modem. Apparently VDSL will be using PPPoE.

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I thought you were going to go with custom firmware on the router (Gargoyle) for the advanced quotas and usage monitoring etc?

If so you want to setup the modem in half bridge/ip extension, then connect it to the wan port on the router and have the router control NAT/DHCP etc.

Flashing firmware and setting up half bridge requires a bit more tech savvy than the average setup though, so whether you attempt it or not depends on your own confidence level or whether you have some tech savvy mates.

Here's an old guide for setting it up for a Dynalink RTA1320 and Linksys WRT54GL running Tomato firmare it is similar to what you would need to do but not exactly the same as you have difference devices and would probably use Gargoyle firmware.

http://www.ben.geek.nz/2006/11/adsl-routing-solution-in-detail/

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#497372 24-Jul-2011 17:14

Bah! I wrote a reply to that post of Ragnor's, and quoted just the bit I was replying to :(

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