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#2777149 12-Sep-2021 21:03

uppynz:
Agree, I see Konnected allows you to run their board In-Parallel with existing alarm which means essentially you still maintain all the same alarm functionality, keypads etc but get the added automation and control

Yes as I said above. Konnected interface module is perfect.

Get any of the crap box alarms out there (none of which have a good app and no one will change my mind on that), bolt on the interface module, and have complete monitoring (and control if the alarm panel has an input zone for arm/disarm) in the HA app with everything else in your house.

And then you can do automation too... like geo-fenced arm/disarm, "I'm leaving for work" voice assistant automation, etc etc

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#2777166 12-Sep-2021 22:35

neb:
Jase2985:

Arrowhead are apparently coming out with a new app soon.

Any more info on this? Their existing app looks like it was built in a couple of days using an RMAD toolkit.

I emailed them and asked as i have a slightly newer model alarm (Full IP) that isnt supported by the current ap.

"We are hoping to have an app for ESX mid year and Have an engineer that started with us full time today to work on it."

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#2779013 15-Sep-2021 19:01

The alarm panel you have is more for access control than standard house alarm it's why the apps aren't supported yet

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#2779047 15-Sep-2021 22:34

You can connect an Arrowhead system over either serial or ethernet, and see zone status and control. It's not plug and play but can interface with Home Assistant / Node Red etc if you wish.

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#2779050 15-Sep-2021 22:51

phrozenpenguin:
You can connect an Arrowhead system over either serial or ethernet, and see zone status and control. It's not plug and play but can interface with Home Assistant / Node Red etc if you wish.

Does this mean they can take the CSV-IP alarm data and do something useful with it? I'd started writing a basic daemon to receive the messages, but didn't really know what to do with them beyond that point.

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#2779634 16-Sep-2021 21:30

neb:
phrozenpenguin:

You can connect an Arrowhead system over either serial or ethernet, and see zone status and control. It's not plug and play but can interface with Home Assistant / Node Red etc if you wish.

Does this mean they can take the CSV-IP alarm data and do something useful with it? I'd started writing a basic daemon to receive the messages, but didn't really know what to do with them beyond that point.

I'm not sure what you mean by CVS-IP but the Arrowhead alarm has an IP module, and you can get a replacement firmware that enables (only) local control over network. Then you can do something useful with it, although I'm not aware of something "off the shelf" - although I haven't looked for a while. Does that help? I recall a previous thread where it was talked about in more depth.

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#2779641 16-Sep-2021 21:52

davidcole: For paradox look at the paradox alarm interface project. It will talk to home assistant (I use it to openHAB and homekit for monitor mine). And paradox does have the insite gold app. But unsure how good that is or how much. I believe it’s subscription based.

Pretty rock solid for a few properties, but, they are all standard users and not concerned with any of the possibilities other solutions may provide

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#2779979 17-Sep-2021 16:57

phrozenpenguin:
I'm not sure what you mean by CVS-IP but the Arrowhead alarm has an IP module, and you can get a replacement firmware that enables (only) local control over network. Then you can do something useful with it, although I'm not aware of something "off the shelf" - although I haven't looked for a while.

CVS-IP is a standard alarm event reporting format used by the AAP module (alongside one or two other, nonstandard formats), it just sends events to an external monitoring device for action. Problem is that there doesn't seem to be much out there that can process and act on these events.

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#2780051 17-Sep-2021 21:37

neb:
phrozenpenguin:

I'm not sure what you mean by CVS-IP but the Arrowhead alarm has an IP module, and you can get a replacement firmware that enables (only) local control over network. Then you can do something useful with it, although I'm not aware of something "off the shelf" - although I haven't looked for a while.

CVS-IP is a standard alarm event reporting format used by the AAP module (alongside one or two other, nonstandard formats), it just sends events to an external monitoring device for action. Problem is that there doesn't seem to be much out there that can process and act on these events.

Ah yes. What I am talking about is different. CSV-IP seemed fairly antiquated/basic when I looked a while back, and designed for the telephone network. The RS232 or the ethernet interface (with changed firmware) give you lots more options, and two-way control (e.g. setting alarm, using keypad etc).

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#2780058 17-Sep-2021 21:53

phrozenpenguin:
The RS232 or the ethernet interface (with changed firmware) give you lots more options, and two-way control (e.g. setting alarm, using keypad etc).

What's the "changed firmware" vs. the standard firmware? I've just got what I thought was "the firmware" which works with their app and allows control via the app.

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#2780067 17-Sep-2021 22:31

neb:
phrozenpenguin:

The RS232 or the ethernet interface (with changed firmware) give you lots more options, and two-way control (e.g. setting alarm, using keypad etc).

What's the "changed firmware" vs. the standard firmware? I've just got what I thought was "the firmware" which works with their app and allows control via the app.

They have a different firmware - it was obtainable direct when I did it - you basically get telnet(?) access to the alarm, it sends when zones are open/closed etc, you can send keys etc. It removes any control from their app and only enables local control. There is more details on this forum somewhere I think.

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#2781092 20-Sep-2021 13:18

The firmware doesn't have anything to do with the app control from the alarm, it's all done through local programming on the keypad, there options for keypads, zones, keyswitch, output access through app and keypads etc

Common event report formats are contact and sia

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#2781250 20-Sep-2021 17:32

technician14: The firmware doesn't have anything to do with the app control from the alarm, it's all done through local programming on the keypad, there options for keypads, zones, keyswitch, output access through app and keypads etc

Do you know if the keypad syncs with the app? I went through with the app and named each sensor and zone and whatnot but the keypad just displays the generic Sensor 1, Sensor 2, etc, and I really don't want to have to repeat the exercise a second time with the keypad. It also doesn't seem to talk to the controller for things like time and date which is annoying, it's like it's a completely disconnected device.

Common event report formats are contact and sia

Do you know under which conditions events are reported? I wrote a simple CSV-IP server to get events from the alarm but all I'm getting is a heartbeat every 90s, I can trigger sensors, arm and disarm the alarm, and do other things, but nothing gets reported.

As an additional note, if anyone wants a CSV-IP server to play with, PM me.

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#2781307 20-Sep-2021 20:23

Answer will be no unfortunately because the ip module will be addressed as KP 8 and your KP will be addressed as KP 1

Not sure about the app to panel time and date etc it will be separate tho

Most events are reported when in alarm state, zones like delay and stay etc are alarm when in armed state and fire and 24 hr are always no matter armed or disarmed

Could try change the reporting format it sends from the panel

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#2783130 23-Sep-2021 19:41

technician14: Answer will be no unfortunately because the ip module will be addressed as KP 8 and your KP will be addressed as KP 1

So I'm translating this as "no" but it doesn't really explain why... presumably there's some centralised control via the alarm, can't that synchronise things across the different modules? Or are you saying the IP module acts as a pseudo-keypad and so has no control over anything beyond what a keypad can do?

technician14: Most events are reported when in alarm state, zones like delay and stay etc are alarm when in armed state and fire and 24 hr are always no matter armed or disarmed

Could try change the reporting format it sends from the panel

Do you mean from CSV-IP to LS-30? I've never been able to find any documentation for that so I can't write any software to receive the notifications.

Also, is the probably-heartbeat message with ID 801 just a heartbeat that can be discarded? It looks like it corresponds to the "Poll interval" setting and there's no message type 801 defined so I don't know what to do with it.

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