Has anyone received a job offer offshore without a visa?

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#255641 22-Aug-2019 01:24

Hi All,

I am an Android developer (over 5 years), currently, working in Sydney holding TSS visa. I want to relocate to New Zealand and have applied for 10+ jobs on Seek in the past month, few of them rejected my application, I didn't give any feedback from most of them, I even doubt my application was filtered out due to question "Which of the following statements best describes your right to work in New Zealand?". I also applied on LinkedIn, one position can receive dozens of applications.

The chance looks slim for offshore applicants :(

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#2303426 22-Aug-2019 05:08

What passport(s)/citizenship do you hold?

If you can't get an easily obtainable visa/ get citizenship, then yeah most employers won't be too interested unless you have some very niche skills. This isn't just a New Zealand thing.

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#2303428 22-Aug-2019 06:17

I'm assuming you have no rights to work in New Zealand. Have you checked to see if your skills are in demand here, as per the official immigration website? If you don't have a visa already, you'll probably find most employers won't bother shortlisting you, especially if they have to try and sponsor your visa application.
Work to residency visas can be a long process, and very hard for govt jobs.
You said you doubted it was due to the question about your right to work here, why do you not think that is a factor?

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#2303437 22-Aug-2019 07:34

rscole86: I'm assuming you have no rights to work in New Zealand. Have you checked to see if your skills are in demand here, as per the official immigration website? If you don't have a visa already, you'll probably find most employers won't bother shortlisting you, especially if they have to try and sponsor your visa application.
Work to residency visas can be a long process, and very hard for govt jobs.
You said you doubted it was due to the question about your right to work here, why do you not think that is a factor?

I think English is not the OP's first language... I think he meant to say his application was filtered on that question - doubt was used in the context of "question".

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#2304355 23-Aug-2019 08:45

Getting a job where you don't live is very unlikely.

To do better than a local candidate either you need

* exceptional skills

* skills that are rare, and hard for someone to learn

* be very cheap

There's an old joke in the USA: "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member."

In other words, good companies with happy workers usually don't need to hire staff from overseas.

Make sure you do a LOT of research on anyone willing to hire you without you living in the area.

There's a lot of scam artists, and bad employers, looking to take advantage.

If you're serious, you need to be in New Zealand, and then start looking for a job.

I would use Seek to find what cities have skill shortages matching your skills.

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#2304359 23-Aug-2019 08:48

Consult this website: https://www.immigration.govt.nz/employ-migrants/explore-your-options/before-you-start-hiring-migrants/skill-shortages

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#2304363 23-Aug-2019 08:53

yes I have few friends relocated to NZ with a job offer. Employer sponsored visa (they need to be accredited to hire immigrants or provide evidence that there are no suitable people available in the country during the time of hire process).

helping others at evgenyk.nz

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#2304413 23-Aug-2019 09:44

kingdragonfly: Getting a job where you don't live is very unlikely.

To do better than a local candidate either you need

* exceptional skills

* skills that are rare, and hard for someone to learn

* be very cheap

There's an old joke in the USA: "I wouldn't want to be a member of a club that would have me as a member."

In other words, good companies with happy workers usually don't need to hire staff from overseas.

Make sure you do a LOT of research on anyone willing to hire you without you living in the area.

There's a lot of scam artists, and bad employers, looking to take advantage.

If you're serious, you need to be in New Zealand, and then start looking for a job.

I would use Seek to find what cities have skill shortages matching your skills.

This is all wrong, on so many levels. There are many reasons why genuine employers seek foreign workers, there are significant shortages of experienced workers in many areas, and if I seek to grow my business, I need to do it via foreign workers as local, experienced workers are almost impossible to find where there are shortages.

I run a 100-person IT company and I get a lot of unsolicited applications from foreigners wanting to work in NZ.

Firstly, you cannot move to NZ with the intention of looking for permanent work (I am not discussing short-term workers) by arriving at an airport with that intention, you need to apply for an appropriate visa in advance.

What turns me off from any foreign applicant are the following:
- people who are ‘anywhere but here’ types, just slamming out applications in hope
- those who have clearly not researched NZ, or locations within NZ where they want to live
- people who have not researched my business in advance, looked me up on LinkedIn etc - they have no idea if my business is right for them
- no explanatory cover letter detailing motivation for moving to NZ, and wanting to work for me

I look for committed and motivated candidates who are genuine applicants - and will not respond to those who have obviously not done due diligence. It is expensive and time consuming to hire foreigners and I need to be sure my gamble is likely to pay off.

FYI I have hired about 20% of my workforce from overseas.

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#2304455 23-Aug-2019 10:46

BlinkyBill:Firstly, you cannot move to NZ with the intention of looking for permanent work (I am not discussing short-term workers) by arriving at an airport with that intention, you need to apply for an appropriate visa in advance.

Let's put it this way: you shouldn't move to New Zealand without a job, and job seeker doing this is breaking the law. But...

As a frequent job hunter for many decades, I stand by my statements that you're highly unlikely to get a job unless you're a local candidate. If found this is the case even in towns with less than 100,000 people.

Not impossible, but my experience is it's a really big negative.

Again, for companies frequently hire overseas workers, just search stuff.co.nz for many, many stories of scam artists, or exploitation. They tend to prey on Asian and Indian workers.

The exception, as mentioned, are highly skilled workers.

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#2304472 23-Aug-2019 11:13

The OP is an Android developer with 5+ years experience. My comments are aimed at professionals seeking to relocate to NZ.

Scams and exploitation on Stuff typically relate to unskilled/semi-skilled migrants desperate to get out of their third-world conditions in the hope of an escape from the drudgery and hopelessness of their situation. These people are, as mentioned, desperate for a change, are naive in the extreme, and lack the resources to help themselves. Exploitation of the desperate is despicable - but that situation does not apply to the OP’s situation.

As an employer (I’ve probably hired 200 people in the last 30 years), my view is that any reasonable employer will hire the best person from anywhere, as long as they can add value by being a good worker, and fit in culturally with the business.

Skills are part of it certainly, but a highly skilled person who is a nightmare to manage and who doesn’t work well with the rest of the team is a very bad investment - and I have fired a number of those. So I put a premium on attitude and potential, over ‘highly skilled’. Then I invest in getting the skills up.

There are too many people out there who want a job and that’s it. If that’s it, then those people won’t be working with me - and that’s why foreigners are attractive - properly qualified, the ones I hire are motivated by more than the 9-5.