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  #461701 22-Apr-2011 23:14
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Want to write us a guide, or a program to do the visualisation like you have done up there with google maps? I'd be pretty stoked to see my trails around the country.



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  #461750 23-Apr-2011 11:24
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1eStar: Want to write us a guide, or a program to do the visualisation like you have done up there with google maps? I'd be pretty stoked to see my trails around the country.

Basically, you just need to find the file which has the text "CellLocation" in it in the %AppData%\Apple Computer\MobileSync\Backup\WHATEVER-DEVICE-YOU-CHOOSE folder and then open the file up in a sqlite database viewer (there is a plugin for Firefox).

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  #462082 25-Apr-2011 08:02
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1eStar: Want to write us a guide, or a program to do the visualisation like you have done up there with google maps? I'd be pretty stoked to see my trails around the country.


One already available from:
http://petewarden.github.com/iPhoneTracker/

have fun.. also tracks 3G iPads... 




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  #462157 25-Apr-2011 14:31
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The thing that makes me laugh about this is that all this tracking information is available to any mobile operator (in that they potentially could track their customers). If people are so paranoid, they might just want to switch off their cellphone permanently.

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  #462236 25-Apr-2011 18:01
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1eStar: Want to write us a guide, or a program to do the visualisation like you have done up there with google maps? I'd be pretty stoked to see my trails around the country.

If your running windows heres the windows version http://huseyint.com/iPhoneTrackerWin/

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  #463229 28-Apr-2011 08:52

Apple would like to respond to the questions we have recently received about the gathering and use of location information by our devices.

1. Why is Apple tracking the location of my iPhone?
Apple is not tracking the location of your iPhone. Apple has never done so and has no plans to ever do so.

2. Then why is everyone so concerned about this?
Providing mobile users with fast and accurate location information while preserving their security and privacy has raised some very complex technical issues which are hard to communicate in a soundbite. Users are confused, partly because the creators of this new technology (including Apple) have not provided enough education about these issues to date.

3. Why is my iPhone logging my location?
The iPhone is not logging your location. Rather, it’s maintaining a database of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers around your current location, some of which may be located more than one hundred miles away from your iPhone, to help your iPhone rapidly and accurately calculate its location when requested. Calculating a phone’s location using just GPS satellite data can take up to several minutes. iPhone can reduce this time to just a few seconds by using Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data to quickly find GPS satellites, and even triangulate its location using just Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data when GPS is not available (such as indoors or in basements). These calculations are performed live on the iPhone using a crowd-sourced database of Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data that is generated by tens of millions of iPhones sending the geo-tagged locations of nearby Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers in an anonymous and encrypted form to Apple.

4. Is this crowd-sourced database stored on the iPhone?
The entire crowd-sourced database is too big to store on an iPhone, so we download an appropriate subset (cache) onto each iPhone. This cache is protected but not encrypted, and is backed up in iTunes whenever you back up your iPhone. The backup is encrypted or not, depending on the user settings in iTunes. The location data that researchers are seeing on the iPhone is not the past or present location of the iPhone, but rather the locations of Wi-Fi hotspots and cell towers surrounding the iPhone’s location, which can be more than one hundred miles away from the iPhone. We plan to cease backing up this cache in a software update coming soon (see Software Update section below).

5. Can Apple locate me based on my geo-tagged Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
No. This data is sent to Apple in an anonymous and encrypted form. Apple cannot identify the source of this data.

6. People have identified up to a year’s worth of location data being stored on the iPhone. Why does my iPhone need so much data in order to assist it in finding my location today?
This data is not the iPhone’s location data—it is a subset (cache) of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database which is downloaded from Apple into the iPhone to assist the iPhone in rapidly and accurately calculating location. The reason the iPhone stores so much data is a bug we uncovered and plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below). We don’t think the iPhone needs to store more than seven days of this data.

7. When I turn off Location Services, why does my iPhone sometimes continue updating its Wi-Fi and cell tower data from Apple’s crowd-sourced database? 
It shouldn’t. This is a bug, which we plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below).

8. What other location data is Apple collecting from the iPhone besides crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower data?
Apple is now collecting anonymous traffic data to build a crowd-sourced traffic database with the goal of providing iPhone users an improved traffic service in the next couple of years.

9. Does Apple currently provide any data collected from iPhones to third parties? 
We provide anonymous crash logs from users that have opted in to third-party developers to help them debug their apps. Our iAds advertising system can use location as a factor in targeting ads. Location is not shared with any third party or ad unless the user explicitly approves giving the current location to the current ad (for example, to request the ad locate the Target store nearest them).

10. Does Apple believe that personal information security and privacy are important?
Yes, we strongly do. For example, iPhone was the first to ask users to give their permission for each and every app that wanted to use location. Apple will continue to be one of the leaders in strengthening personal information security and privacy.

Software Update
Sometime in the next few weeks Apple will release a free iOS software update that:

 


  • reduces the size of the crowd-sourced Wi-Fi hotspot and cell tower database cached on the iPhone,

  • ceases backing up this cache, and

  • deletes this cache entirely when Location Services is turned off.


In the next major iOS software release the cache will also be encrypted on the iPhone.


http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/27location_qa.html

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  #463233 28-Apr-2011 08:54
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As I said, storm in a teacup. Skyhook, Navizon, Google, Microsoft they all do the same.

Paranaoid tinfoil hat people...




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  #463275 28-Apr-2011 10:08
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Cuz iOS users are so paranoid about the perfection of the device and the system, they generalized the problem.
I used wm before, and it did record my location periodically. I'm currently using android, and iOS, I found iOS is so much easier to use than android, and most importantly android uploaded some information to google server but iOS does not upload it to apple so in my opinion iOS is so much safer than any other operating systems even including windows 7.

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  #463277 28-Apr-2011 10:10
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You can't compare Windows Phone 7 with other platforms... There isn't even a list of vulnerabilities - unlike iOS for example (how do you think people jailbreak their iPhones?)





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  #463278 28-Apr-2011 10:12
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freitasm: You can't compare Windows Phone 7 with other platforms... There isn't even a list of vulnerabilities - unlike iOS for example (how do you think people jailbreak their iPhones?)



Na. I mean windows 7 on pc.

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  #463280 28-Apr-2011 10:16
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Comparing similar platforms, Windows 7 is actually pretty good, even compared with Mac OS X. The thing is that Apple doesn't disclose what's being fixed when they release their updates, but the list of vulnerabilities is not small.

For example, back in November 2010 "Apple fixed 130 Mac OS X vulnerabilities" (http://www.internetnews.com/security/article.php/3912731/Apple-Fixes-130-Mac-OS-X-Vulnerabilities.ht...)...







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