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#220151 31-May-2009 16:12

Sadly, I agree with Vodafone and Telecom here. If they go assigning local numbers to cellphones on the other side of NZ, we risk paying toll call rates for phone calls that look like local calls (because of the numbering system) and no way of knowing until the bill arrives - especially with Vodafone and Orcon not offering toll barring at all! Bad idea, 2degrees - very bad.

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#220152 31-May-2009 16:14

Kyanar: Sadly, I agree with Vodafone and Telecom here. If they go assigning local numbers to cellphones on the other side of NZ, we risk paying toll call rates for phone calls that look like local calls (because of the numbering system) and no way of knowing until the bill arrives - especially with Vodafone and Orcon not offering toll barring at all! Bad idea, 2degrees - very bad.

That is not how it works - the person making the call doesn't pay anything extra than if you were sitting at home and they rang you on a landline.

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#220158 31-May-2009 16:38

Well, in THAT case... no worries then. what's the point of numbering systems if they're not to allow us to work out what calls are toll calls and not? Is it just to keep it simple setting up the POTS network equivalent of dial plans?

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#220160 31-May-2009 16:43

Kyanar: Well, in THAT case... no worries then. what's the point of numbering systems if they're not to allow us to work out what calls are toll calls and not? Is it just to keep it simple setting up the POTS network equivalent of dial plans?

I am assuming here it is something like Vodafone HomeZone but you aren't tied down to your home. If you have say an 07 XXXXXXX number and someone from a different toll calling zone wants to ring it, they still pay the toll call fee. I also assume you as the owner of the number pay a fee for the service, monthly and/or per minute I don't know. Similar to an 0800 number in that respect I guess . . .

EDIT: Just went back through and read the official post from 2degrees near the start of this post and it is like VFs HomeZone - when you are at home or maybe at the mailbox or a little way down the road if you are lucky, the above applies, your phone can be used like a landline in terms of call costs.

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#220500 1-Jun-2009 19:00

Here is a link to the video on TVNZ

They want the same deal as Vodafone are currently getting.

http://tvnz.co.nz/business-news/telecom-accused-stifling-competition-2756859/video

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#220644 1-Jun-2009 22:36

The story in the Dom Post had more information than that newscast.

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#220785 2-Jun-2009 11:39

I'm not getting the point what 2degrees is doing different than Vodafone. Local numbers will work only inside homezones (i.e. those cells, that cover subscribers' places), which is what Vodafone does. So the issue must be with interconnection. Maybe they want to interconnect only by one or more central peering points instead of at each local switching center. Why don't they just cooperate with some non-competing VoIP-provider like VFX and share that piece of infrastructure?
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#220786 2-Jun-2009 11:42

From what I have read it appears they want the local number to work anywhere in the local calling zone, not just in the close proximity of your home like VF HomeZone does. In NZ's case there are only about 6 or 8 zones so a large chunk of area is covered by a local calling zone.

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#220817 2-Jun-2009 12:42

Actually, I think that 2Degrees wants to make it possible for a mobile phone to have a local phone number regardless of its location. They're trying to emulate the US model, where cell phones have local numbers.

In that type of network, the recipient pays to receive calls and SMS.

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#220819 2-Jun-2009 12:45

jpollock: Actually, I think that 2Degrees wants to make it possible for a mobile phone to have a local phone number regardless of its location.

Your interpretation is they want it so your 09 number works as a local number even if you are in Christchurch and the caller is in Wellington with the same costs as if you are in Auckland and your caller is too?

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#220846 2-Jun-2009 13:25

scottjpalmer:
jpollock: Actually, I think that 2Degrees wants to make it possible for a mobile phone to have a local phone number regardless of its location.

Your interpretation is they want it so your 09 number works as a local number even if you are in Christchurch and the caller is in Wellington with the same costs as if you are in Auckland and your caller is too?

I wonder too if it is something like this. Pretty sure this is what caused TelstraClear's Tauranga unplugged to become unplugged.

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#220894 2-Jun-2009 14:40

scottjpalmer:
jpollock: Actually, I think that 2Degrees wants to make it possible for a mobile phone to have a local phone number regardless of its location.

Your interpretation is they want it so your 09 number works as a local number even if you are in Christchurch and the caller is in Wellington with the same costs as if you are in Auckland and your caller is too?

You would have an 09 number. The caller would pay as if they are calling an Auckland number, regardless of where you are in the country. 2Degrees then bills you to terminate the call. They may offer you cheaper rates if you, yourself are in Auckland (homezone-like), but probably not.

In other words, instead of the caller paying ~30-50c/minute to call a mobile, you would pay ~30-50c/minute to receive the call.

As for which model is better? Personally, I prefer the current system. It provides a cheap and easy way to avoid spam phone calls and SMS. Can you imagine how annoying it would be to receive a telemarketing call when you were paying 50c as soon as you answer the phone?

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#221082 2-Jun-2009 20:40

cant wait to c what 2degrees does to the competition......

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#221501 4-Jun-2009 08:19

A good telco in New Zealand is one part network billing, two parts advertising and one part sueing the competition.

Looks like 2 degrees have it mostly sorted. Can't wait to see their advertising.

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#222270 6-Jun-2009 16:50

Dont vodafone already allow you to take your home number any location on their network for an extra charge per month? How is that different to what 2? want to offer?

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