[Snap] Faster upstread speed on VDSL?

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#145460 19-May-2014 01:15

I am wondering if Snap is planning to make available higher upload speeds on VDSL? It looks like my line would support up to 15 Mbit/s upstream. Would be willing to spend a few extra $ a month to get faster upstream.

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#1047677 19-May-2014 01:15

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#1047688 19-May-2014 01:33

Same issue here.
Technically if VDSL2 didn't have a limited standard we would achieve higher upload speeds if the exchange could do it.

I wouldn't demand it or even be annoyed at it just thinking why this is a thing?

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#1047689 19-May-2014 01:45

I also connect at 42Mb/s upstream. I'd love to even download at 20 Mb/s for my full HD videos to YouTube.

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#1047690 19-May-2014 02:25

kiwikiwi: Technically if VDSL2 didn't have a limited standard we would achieve higher upload speeds if the exchange could do it.

From what I can tell there is nothing in the standard restricting this. Several VDSL operators (not in NZ, but internationally) have upstream speeds of at least 20 Mbit/s.

This seems more like a product/policy issue.

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#1047705 19-May-2014 03:37

This is a Chorus limitation, not a Snap one. It'd be great if Chorus offered more VDSL profile options, such as the ability to set SNR, line profile and interleaving delay. Unfortunately at the moment it's all done automatically via DLM.
My line is currently synced at 3.6mb up. I'd be very happy with 10mb up. :(

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#1047738 19-May-2014 08:00

I imagine it's both a product marketing choice and potentially a frequency/interference one too, though unsure on the latter.
Vdsl is marketed as a 30 or "up to 50" down product with 10 up. This is approximate to the ufb 30/10 plan. I imagine that they might not want it competing beyond "entry level".

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#1047740 19-May-2014 08:04

I wonder how many more threads would appear on Geekzone about VDSL speeds dropping if Chorus loosened their profile options.

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#1048457 19-May-2014 22:41

I wonder if Snap is going to let us know anything about this?

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#1048459 19-May-2014 22:43

coffeebaron: I wonder how many more threads would appear on Geekzone about VDSL speeds dropping if Chorus loosened their profile options.

Its the same sentiment as people worrying about unlimited bandwidth degrading their services.

It works nicely everywhere else in the world, is there some special reason why unlimited bandwidth and slightly higher upstream speeds doesn't work here in NZ? Something about the climate?

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#1048468 19-May-2014 22:57

eXDee: I imagine it's both a product marketing choice and potentially a frequency/interference one too, though unsure on the latter.

Yeah the lower freq upstream band is essentially reserved for those on longer lines, those on short lines don't transmit on it.

jarledb: It works nicely everywhere else in the world, is there some special reason why unlimited bandwidth and slightly higher upstream speeds doesn't work here in NZ? Something about the climate?

But this is the Chorus network we are talking here, they designed for usable data rate of 15 mbps down 5 mbps up within 1 km. How would you feel if you were further out from the exchange with 3.6mb up and this dropped to 2mb because those closer to the exchange wanted to use the spectrum to boost theirs to 15 mbps.

Overseas may be different due to homogeneous network (allows for technology like vectoring), non-standard band plans and protocols or deployments in apartment complexes rather than FTTx and differences in outdoor plant.

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#1048482 19-May-2014 23:56

if only attainable were real.

i dont see it happening unfortunately.. although if chorus wanted to raise it even to 20mbit, ild more than welcome in!

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#1048493 20-May-2014 02:49

yitz:
eXDee: I imagine it's both a product marketing choice and potentially a frequency/interference one too, though unsure on the latter.

Yeah the lower freq upstream band is essentially reserved for those on longer lines, those on short lines don't transmit on it.

My line does not use US0. Would be nice if it did. Would also be nice if it used the higher upstream bands, even if it was only one or two bits per tone it would help.

yitz: But this is the Chorus network we are talking here, they designed for usable data rate of 15 mbps down 5 mbps up within 1 km. How would you feel if you were further out from the exchange with 3.6mb up and this dropped to 2mb because those closer to the exchange wanted to use the spectrum to boost theirs to 15 mbps.

I'm 850m from the exchange. 20/3.6mb sync at the moment.