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#635180 3-Jun-2012 20:03

the word 'entitled ' gets used a lot nowadays which seems to make most think others should pay for them and their wants and needs. I'm a landlord but only rent here in Auckland and wouldn't say I'm creaming it in fact rent doesn't cover outgoings at all but the entitled ones care nothing of that.

Won't even start to tell the stories of what I have lost in rent, repairs and replacement of stolen property as that is a whole other thread in itself, suffice they felt they were entitled to do it.

Rant over buy your own aerial or if its for the poor entitled ones, buy them one if it irks you that much

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#635187 3-Jun-2012 20:16

It won't hurt to ask, but do so with the knowledge the landlord doesn't have to front up with one for you. If I owned the property and had a reliable good long-term tenant I would probably shell out the $50 and chuck one up to keep them happy, but that's just me.

Otherwise ask permission and do it yourself. Mind how you install it however, don't do to much damage, and bear in mind you could take it when the tenancy ends.

Lazy is such an ugly word, I prefer to call it selective participation

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#635243 3-Jun-2012 22:21

Unless it's specified in the lease agreement, I don't think there is any legal obligation on the landlord to do so. It's not a necessity of life (like water or sanitation) that is required to be provided for a property to be able to be inhabited.

They may choose to do so - presumably because it helps them to attract of retain tenants or because it adds to the attractiveness of the property and thus the rent they can charge - but they aren't required to.

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#635277 4-Jun-2012 00:12

friend with a rental has enough problems with the drains and the electrics that the tenants seem to like to abuse and constantly want to get "fixed" - like wanting a sparky to come out for "faulty wiring" when their asian cheap lamps keep blowing, or the drains getting clogged up with all the fat that they wont run hot water down after to stop from solidifying in the pipes.

Last thing landlords need to have to worry about is renters entertainment services. Most places have a sky dish on them already. Use that if you are not wanting an antenna installed.

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#635295 4-Jun-2012 01:28

I asked my landlord (one of the larger estate chains) whether they would. Should answer: no.

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#635333 4-Jun-2012 09:29

Interesting conversation. I would probably consider alternative properties, if there was no tv aerial (freeview or otherwise), but it is just one of many factors, so it may not be a deciding factor.

However if I was to install one, I would probably take it with me at the end of the tenancy.

In looking for a rental at the moment it has surprised how many landlords aren't interested in delivering a product (rental property) that meets the needs of the customer (at the right price).

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#635336 4-Jun-2012 09:47

Jon I think "meeting the market "would be subjective to all and there is a limit to what you can do. If you would look at another property because it had no aerial you may have higher expectations than most.

Lets not forget that a lot of landlords are just regular folk looking to use their equity to get something for retirement, we are all money grabbing tyrants, nor are all tenants unreasonable its just we only see the ones that are at the extremes .

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#635362 4-Jun-2012 10:40

jeffnz:...we are all money grabbing tyrants...

Oops.

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#635383 4-Jun-2012 11:35

Looks like it's true that landlord does not have to provide an aerial. Which I think is ridiculous, since I'd consider good TV reception a mere essential and there's normally no way to get that with some kind of a portable solution.

jeffnz: If you would look at another property because it had no aerial you may have higher expectations than most.

I certainly hope that most people don't consider having TV reception at their house as "high expectations".

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#635386 4-Jun-2012 11:49

fatboy: Looks like it's true that landlord does not have to provide an aerial. Which I think is ridiculous, since I'd consider good TV reception a mere essential and there's normally no way to get that with some kind of a portable solution.

jeffnz: If you would look at another property because it had no aerial you may have higher expectations than most.

I certainly hope that most people don't consider having TV reception at their house as "high expectations".

I agree that it's reasonable to think that the vast majority of homes require a TV aerial, but what's in question is who should pay for it. I don't consider a TV aerial to be much different from other essentials such as a washing machine which landlords wouldn't normally provide, but the tricky thing with a TV aerial is that it may require internal wiring and it's difficult for the tenant to take with them when they leave.

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#635387 4-Jun-2012 11:53

sbiddle:
dwknight: After the Feb earthquake, seeing the mayor and everyone else addressing us and letting us know what was going on was the only thing keeping many people sane.
I do agree that in the current environment, while the old analog signal is being broadcast, landlords should not have to install an aerial.

But I don't think people realise just how damaging losing this signal is going to be. I'm not talking about missing out on Shortland Street, I'm talking about missing out on an essential source of information than can, and does, save lives.

I'm seeing you talk about two different issues in your posts

- Should a landlord provide an aerial when no aerial exists

- Should a landlord upgrade an existing aerial

As discussed there is no legal requirement for a landlord to provide a TV aerial. If a VHF aerial does exist I think it would be reasonable to approach a landlord and ask if they would be willing to install a UHF aerial.

An aerial is a permanent fixture to the house.

It is NOT a dvd player or settop box which you can simply unplug from the wall.

I think it is silly and highly inefficient to expect tenants to install/remove aerials when they shift to a new place.

Just because the law says so & so, does not mean it is right.

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#635447 4-Jun-2012 13:58

Finally, someone who agrees with me! I didn't realise how many people on this forum were landlords :P

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#635454 4-Jun-2012 14:05

Since such provision is neither mandatory nor prohibited it all comes down to negotiation where each party has their own views. Either a mutually acceptable solution will be reached or it won't. Ultimately however, the decision will lie with the landlord as only he or she can approve such an installation, regardless of who actually pays for it and where ownership is vested. The tenant's only recourse in the event of dissatisfaction with the result of negotiation is to give notice and move out.