Sharepoint 2016 : holy cow that price

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#1717749 9-Feb-2017 15:31

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jnimmo: ...it is really nice not having to backup Exchange...

Think very carefully about that statement. If you accidentally corrupt, or someone maliciously damages an email or a folder in your hosted Exchange mailbox (be it Office 365, Intermedia, or other), what are your recovery options?

If you accidentally delete (or something causes emails or a folder to be accidentally deleted) and you don't notice for a month, what are your recovery options?

Yes apologies, good point - obviously depends on requirements, retention policies etc.

Another option OP is I think O365 from E3 upwards gives you the on premise rights too, so you could use Sharepoint hosted and Exchange on premise or hybrid if required..

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#1718085 10-Feb-2017 08:31

timmmay:

That paper, from memory, says it's allowed for government and it's secure, not that it's cheaper. In many cases cloud solutions (in the wider sense, not office specifically) are more expensive, but tend to have significant advantages in terms of ease of installation, no servers, managed backups and DR, etc. Security is a typical management concern when they don't understand IT or are very risk adverse.

Not suggesting anything about cost. Just saying if there's issues with security concerns (which seems to be the most common feedback I hear about from people inexperienced with the technology) then it's easy to refer to that paper with the "if it's good enough for the govt it should be good enough for us" argument.

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#1718086 10-Feb-2017 08:32

1101:

the company HAS TO have a server based local network
They have to run a server for a few specific applications (actually running 2 servers at the mo)

That doesn't preclude you using SharePoint Online or Office 365 services. Pretty much every business has a local server in conjunction with their cloud services.

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#1718148 10-Feb-2017 10:28

gehenna:
timmmay:

That paper, from memory, says it's allowed for government and it's secure, not that it's cheaper. In many cases cloud solutions (in the wider sense, not office specifically) are more expensive, but tend to have significant advantages in terms of ease of installation, no servers, managed backups and DR, etc. Security is a typical management concern when they don't understand IT or are very risk adverse.

Not suggesting anything about cost. Just saying if there's issues with security concerns (which seems to be the most common feedback I hear about from people inexperienced with the technology) then it's easy to refer to that paper with the "if it's good enough for the govt it should be good enough for us" argument.

In my experience IT finds it difficult to price a per user per month for inhouse services, almost every calculation I've seen decision makers do leaves out massive amounts of costs, woefully misrepresenting what their actual costs are

That makes it hard for them to compare vs Cloud $5/user/month

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#1718191 10-Feb-2017 11:08

nathan:
gehenna:

timmmay:

That paper, from memory, says it's allowed for government and it's secure, not that it's cheaper. In many cases cloud solutions (in the wider sense, not office specifically) are more expensive, but tend to have significant advantages in terms of ease of installation, no servers, managed backups and DR, etc. Security is a typical management concern when they don't understand IT or are very risk adverse.

Not suggesting anything about cost. Just saying if there's issues with security concerns (which seems to be the most common feedback I hear about from people inexperienced with the technology) then it's easy to refer to that paper with the "if it's good enough for the govt it should be good enough for us" argument.

In my experience IT finds it difficult to price a per user per month for inhouse services, almost every calculation I've seen decision makers do leaves out massive amounts of costs, woefully misrepresenting what their actual costs are

That makes it hard for them to compare vs Cloud $5/user/month

OP needs to talk to suitable Microsoft Partner

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#1718324 10-Feb-2017 14:04

1101: ... Will Sharepoint Foundation 2013 install & run on Server2016 ?

Well according to the download page, Win2008 R2 and Win2012 are the requirements, but that does not exclude Win2016. ;-)

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#1718380 10-Feb-2017 17:20

1101:

Small Business still on SBS2008. Time for an upgrade
Ideally would be Server 2016 + exchange + sharepoint , (to keep email inhouse

Ever considered alternatives? https://alternativeto.net/software/microsoft-sharepoint/

Edit: Made link clickable

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