End of Net Neutrality in the USA

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#226010 15-Dec-2017 11:53

Now that this has supposedly happened, I am curious as to know the effects for us?

Some are saying that we wont notice any change, others are saying that good quality net services may cost a lot more. Mashable are saying that its farewell to porn...so it all seems a bit confusing...

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#1920120 15-Dec-2017 11:58

Nothing much. We don't have "net neutrality" as such, but regulated wholesale access provides enough retail competition that any egregious BS by any ISP will just lose them all their customers.

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#1920122 15-Dec-2017 11:59

Maybe it will be the downfall of Trump. When everyone on cable internet in the US suddenly finds that Netflix no longer works properly.

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#1920123 15-Dec-2017 12:00

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

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#1920130 15-Dec-2017 12:06

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

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#1920144 15-Dec-2017 12:36

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

I agree. This isn't being done for no reason. Want to protect your social media platform from a new competitor? It was expensive to have to go to all the bother of buying them out - much more economical to pay a kickback to service providers to block/throttle access, and kill off competition that way.

The big incumbent content providers (the ones with market capitalisation in the hundreds of billions) have been conspicuously absent from criticism of the windback of net neutrality laws. Next thing, many people (in the US) won't be even aware that there is criticism - as those pages won't load.

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#1920161 15-Dec-2017 13:07

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

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#1920172 15-Dec-2017 13:19

sbiddle:

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

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#1920186 15-Dec-2017 13:31

Fred99:

sbiddle:

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

I'm really curious as to why and how you think this will happen.

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#1920187 15-Dec-2017 13:33

sbiddle:

Fred99:

sbiddle:

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

I'm really curious as to why and how you think this will happen.

A great door of opportunity has been opened for the rest of the world. This is good in a way for us and bad for the yanks.

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#1920219 15-Dec-2017 13:59

Fred99:

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

Content providers trying to get their content out there would likely happily pay for the Single stream of data for rolling out to the CDN Nodes. Often these providers already aim to pump content at the lowest of utilization times.

Take for example netflix, Often this is pumped about 12am.

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#1920287 15-Dec-2017 16:22

Coil:

sbiddle:

Fred99:

sbiddle:

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

I'm really curious as to why and how you think this will happen.

A great door of opportunity has been opened for the rest of the world. This is good in a way for us and bad for the yanks.

Care to explain?

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#1920302 15-Dec-2017 17:22

hio77:

Take for example netflix, Often this is pumped about 12am.

12:00am doesn't exist - it's either 12 noon or midnight - and I'm not being pedantic - I don't know which you mean.

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#1920306 15-Dec-2017 17:35

sbiddle:

Fred99:

sbiddle:

Pumpedd:

sbiddle:

What impact do you think you would see in NZ?

Net neutrality is a myth - and something that can't exist in the real world. The US changes won't mean anything for NZ.

The US issues aren't one of net neutrality per se, they're one caused by their environment which means probably 70% of the population have no choice when it comes to broadband providers.

Most of our traffic is US traffic....so if there is going to be an effect it would surely affect us in some way.

It's been a very long time since anything approaching "most" Internet traffic goes to the US. Depending on the ISP and the user "most" internet traffic (over 50%) is either local or to Australia.

Maybe you were meaning yourself in the first tense in that comment, in which case I still don't think you will see any impact.

I took it to mean not literally "traffic", but that most content providers are US based companies - regardless of from where the content is served. Changes to their market will affect us.

I'm really curious as to why and how you think this will happen.

Content providers make arrangements with ISPs - or become ISPs (google fibre for example). As there's limited competition in the US market - many people don't have a choice of ISP, then it's open to abuse - especially the way the US is going with deregulation of everything possible under Trump's rule.

Of course they can shut out competition. If they do this and shut out Netflix for example, then it's naive to think that we in NZ wouldn't suffer from some of the consequences.

The net neutrality rollback has nothing to do with ideologically pure "free market" policy - as there isn't a free market in the US. It's entirely about gifting monopolies.

For goodness sake - the argument that it "doesn't do much" is absurd in the reality of the situation that it is extremely unpopular with the public - it's politically very risky. As such - if it truly "did nothing" then the republicans are extremely stupid to bother about rolling back something (at great political risk) to achieve nothing. Why bother? Because $$$$.

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#1920319 15-Dec-2017 18:21

Fred99:
hio77:

Take for example netflix, Often this is pumped about 12am.

12:00am doesn't exist - it's either 12 noon or midnight - and I'm not being pedantic - I don't know which you mean.

Appolgies was in a rush spitting that out 00:00 or midnight. Whichever you prefer

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#1920322 15-Dec-2017 18:26

Fred99:

hio77:

Take for example netflix, Often this is pumped about 12am.

12:00am doesn't exist - it's either 12 noon or midnight - and I'm not being pedantic - I don't know which you mean.

12am is midnight, 12pm is lunch time, always has been ever since I was a kid. Which was a long time ago. Not quite sure what you problem is. Everyone at work I have polled on this agrees.

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