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#3250685 19-Jun-2024 05:33

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the uncessary slowdowns on auto pilot being one that’s still hanging around 5-6 months later)

Apparently a feature of any modern car with lane assist / adaptive cruice control.>

I’m talking about an issue specific to Teslas, as discussed here:

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=288285&page_no=91#3174004

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#3250688 19-Jun-2024 06:45

sen8or: Focus on how the car drives and makes you feel, then think about the financial and other factors.

Funnily enough I’d advise the opposite- shortlist the cars that meet your objective and financial criteria then pick one that meets subjective criteria like how it makes you feel.

I view cars as a means to an end, others view it differently of course. YMMV but do think about what is important to you.

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#3250733 19-Jun-2024 09:49

If you are thinking of purchasing a new Tesla, there may be a price adjustment coming for NZ soon.

Model Y is $55,900 in Australia, $65,900 in NZ. If you adjust NZ price for exchange rate, NZ is still $5k more expensive than in Australia.

YouTube link below regarding a current large stock of unsold Tesla in Australia and price cut history. Maybe even a further price cut in store for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSre_KbWFBY

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#3250736 19-Jun-2024 10:02

Australia prices a lot of cars lower than we do, there can be a $20K gulf between prices in Aus and NZD once you adjust for GST and the exchange rate. It's a legacy of their luxury car tax and the way the market for vehicles priced under it developed over time.

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#3250759 19-Jun-2024 10:47

dafman:

If you are thinking of purchasing a new Tesla, there may be a price adjustment coming for NZ soon.

Model Y is $55,900 in Australia, $65,900 in NZ. If you adjust NZ price for exchange rate, NZ is still $5k more expensive than in Australia.

YouTube link below regarding a current large stock of unsold Tesla in Australia and price cut history. Maybe even a further price cut in store for them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSre_KbWFBY

The hysteria that has blown up because someone took photos of Tesla's at a port is ridiculous and shows people and certain media outlets don't understand how car shipments work lol. The cars arrive at the ports by ship, they're unloaded and they sit at the port for a day or two while they clear customs/inspections - the ports are probably extra cautious at the moment due to a recent incident where a previous ship was full of stinkbugs and had to be turned back. I bet a few days after those photos were taken the cars had already been moved on from the port. If you go down to the Viaduct at Auckland after a shipment arrives you'll likely see similar sight - and then a few days later they'll be gone.

You can't just use the port as storage for your unsold vehicles - not only is that really expensive but the port has limited space for other shipments coming through.

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#3250761 19-Jun-2024 11:03

Nj11:
Hi all

We have been thinking about going electric. However, two very basic questions come to mind

Are there any real benefits in buying electric vehicles? After the latest ACC Levy, I have calculated that I will save around $40 per 1000 km. I am a conventional Auckland driver with work to home to kids's activities kind of drive. EVS still need WOF and the insurance is generally higher than traditional cars, which offsets any savings on servicing etc.

If there are any real benefits (including saving the environment), is Tesla better than other cheaper alternatives like BYD.

cheers

Why electric... Err because prices are dirt cheap now, many EVs esp used EVs, demos, imports, are around 40-50% less than they were at the end of last year.

My method is don't buy stuff when they're expensive, but them when they're cheap.

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#3250765 19-Jun-2024 11:25

Obraik:

The hysteria that has blown up because someone took photos of Tesla's at a port is ridiculous and shows people and certain media outlets don't understand how car shipments work lol.

"With its aggressive expansion in production capacity, Tesla appears to be contending with a growing stockpile of unsold vehicles. Production for the last quarter stood at 433,000 vehicles, indicating that an additional 47,000 cars were likely added to inventory. Reports and satellite images reveal unsold Teslas accumulating in parking lots across Texas, Australia, and Germany."

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#3250768 19-Jun-2024 11:31

dafman:

"With its aggressive expansion in production capacity, Tesla appears to be contending with a growing stockpile of unsold vehicles. Production for the last quarter stood at 433,000 vehicles, indicating that an additional 47,000 cars were likely added to inventory. Reports and satellite images reveal unsold Teslas accumulating in parking lots across Texas, Australia, and Germany."

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The "report" on Australia at least is hysteria for the reasons I already mentioned. Tesla's sales in Australia for Q1 were up 23% YoY.

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#3250770 19-Jun-2024 11:32

If your are charging at home I think if you do the numbers an electric car is cheaper to run than petrol even including road user charges.
Off peak power rates result in cheaper (or free) power. If you have solar that also can add to the saving.

If you have to charge at fast chargers all the time you will want the Genesis plan that discounts the charging costs.
But check the kWh charge you ar paying with other providers for the rest of your power.

But all in all electric to run your car is cheap.
If you go about 10,000KM per year expect to pay around $450 in 'fuel' costs at 25c/kWh and another $800 in Road user charges.
Plus any fast charge costs for trips away - but even that is not bad - 300 km costs ~$43 or less, and if you can charge overnight where you are staying that is basically free 'fuel' as well.

I own an MG4 50KW so about 250km driving before I want to charge, real world range max's at ~300km.
Bigger batteries go more distance.

I think Tesla generally has the best software, great fuel efficenacy (so better range) and is a good sized sedan.
But I don't like the middle screen for my dashboard and I didn't like the extra cost at the time of purchase.
The MG is also nice to drive.

It really comes down to what you want in a car.
Be realistic about range you need to drive and how often you go away on long trips. Most of the time you plug it in an wake up to find a full tank the next morning. So easy.
Fast charging is not that long normally either. These days, drive 2 hours, stop for a coffee while charging and then go again.

I would work out what distance you really need to drive, and how you are using the car.
For example the MG4 is probably 2 small for a family of 4 to go away on holiday, but find for 3.
Then look at new and second hand cars in your price range that suit your needs and test drive.

You may by a tesla, you may not.

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#3250780 19-Jun-2024 12:03

Obraik:

Australia at least is hysteria for the reasons I already mentioned. Tesla's sales in Australia for Q1 were up 23% YoY.

It's not a sales question; it's a production vs sales question.

If reports are true that Tesla is currently producing more vehicles than are selling, they will need to address how they are going to move their growing stock of unsold vehicles.

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#3250782 19-Jun-2024 12:04

Obraik:

You can't just use the port as storage for your unsold vehicles - not only is that really expensive but the port has limited space for other shipments coming through.

Some shipments also unload everything and then reload the cars going onto other ports. I know of at least NZ brand where the NZ stock gets unloaded in Australia and then reloaded before coming here.

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#3250932 19-Jun-2024 19:27

Taubin:

I've never been in one, but the amount of build issue I've heard about coming from them, I'd never own one. Even their "older" models seem to have build issues. They also have lied repeatedly about their capabilities (self drive) and range. For some reason they seem to get a pass from a large sector of the public, or it's just really good marketing. Either way, I'd avoid them.

@Taubin, Instead of talking about what you've heard, why not talk from personal experience, assuming you have actually personally seen one up close? My '23 Model 3 which was bult in Shanghai has no build quality issues that you speak of. None.

To put your statement about mileage lies into perspective, have you personally verified the fuel efficiency claims by every other manufacturer as being true and accurate? You'll find that even those claims are on the optimistic/perfect-world side of things.

If you're going to come out with statements, at least talk from personal experience. It gives your opinion a lot more weight.

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#3250951 19-Jun-2024 20:29

jonathan18:

I’m talking about an issue specific to Teslas, as discussed here:

https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=162&topicid=288285&page_no=91#3174004

Ah, ok. Just wanted to point out that these systems aren't perfect in any modern car. But you are right, the slowdowns because of the outdated map info that deals with Autosteer/Adaptive cruice control speed is probably just a Tesla problem.

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#3250953 19-Jun-2024 20:33

Batman:

My method is don't buy stuff when they're expensive, but them when they're cheap.

Damn, I knew there was a missing piece I needed on how to buy stocks.

Pray tell, which stocks are cheap now and will become expensive soon?

To kind of get back on topic: I bought my Model Y when I thought it had a good price in 2022. If you look at the prices today, and probably an upcoming price cut, that price doesn't look quite as good anymore.

If I was buying a car today I would probably look at buying a used car. It is a better deal to let someone else take the (first) depreciation hit on a car ;)

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#3251625 21-Jun-2024 14:39

Obraik:

evnafets:

To comply with recent business insurance changes, EV/Hybrid vehicles must be parked 15 meters away from the building
Office has recently repainted the carpark spaces - and has marked a 'red zone' close to the building for petrol cars only, and the 'blue zone' for Electric/Hybrid vehicles.

That will probably filter down into home insurance soon if it hasn't already...

Do you have a source for that? It sounds like BS...especially since petrol cars catch fire more than EVs (including while parked)

No source but I can confirm that is what the company has said for justifying the repaint

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