Spark won't allow me to use 5G Broadband at my Greenlane house but my phone gets excellent 5G there

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#3235714 28-May-2024 08:54

nztim:

End of the Day, if the OP goes to sell and Fiber is not installed it could be the difference between getting 2M+ or 1.7M for the property

got any data to back that up?

i think most people (non techie) would miss that it didnt have fibre.

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#3235715 28-May-2024 08:55

turtleattacks:

I've been trying to convince my parents to install fibre rather using the 4G internet that Spark has sold them, telling them it'll be just as good.

Anyone know how long will the 'free' Fibre installation be going on for? When will it end?

Probably once the copper withdrawal is complete, currently fiber must be free for copper to be withdrawn, any properties left still on wireless after the copper withdrawal is completed may not have access to a free fiber installation from that point.

Then again who knows

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#3235716 28-May-2024 09:00

Jase2985:

got any data to back that up?

i think most people (non techie) would miss that it didnt have fibre.

You notice I used the words "could"

If during the pre settlement phase the new purchaser goes to connect service to find no installation has been done this could bring the contract back to the negotiation table

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#3235748 28-May-2024 10:09

nztim:

Slot cutting looks like dogfood, I would either smash the driveway up or pay for thrusting, the original copper will have an entry point into the house so if you could thrust to there when just re-use the same entry point

alanwalp:

They tried a few years to install fibre through the landline copper conduit, but the wire is pinched somewhere under the concrete drive, so they couldn't pull the fibre through that way.

As an aside, if you're as fussy as you say you are, why not dig and bury some green pipe/conduit yourself, and the tech can then send fibre up to your place that way?

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#3237756 28-May-2024 11:09

nztim:

End of the Day, if the OP goes to sell and Fiber is not installed it could be the difference between getting 2M+ or 1.7M for the property

While I wholeheartedly agree that getting Fibre installed will make the property more attractive, I cannot fathom someone being able to afford $1.7M+ for a property if they are so dumb that they would pay $300k more if it has a free fibre install done before they purchase.

Cheers - N

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#3237764 28-May-2024 11:20

Rich people generally don't get rich or stay rich by being that dumb. I agree with your sentiment, but making a ludicrous claim makes the argument look less valid. Surely even the least rational rich person is gonna think "Hmmm, I bet I could pay someone $5k to manage my fibre install and it'd be done before I move in" rather than "Heck, it's not got fibre, I'll pay $300k less"

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[edit - whoops, the reply I was replying to got deleted before I hit post]

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#3237779 28-May-2024 12:22

If I were looking for a house in that area and a couple of good candidates were available, I'd choose the one with Fibre installed compared to the one without.

I'd be asking the question as to why it isn't installed as well (eg., is there a problem with installing it)

The house we bought last year didn't have it, but it had had an older lady in her own living in it who had no need for broadband. Neighbours had it, and it was an easy install path.

If it hadn't been available to install, or the install path was horrid, I would have moved on (or offered less).

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#3239804 28-May-2024 13:46

trig42:

I'd be asking the question as to why it isn't installed as well (eg., is there a problem with installing it)

because builders are generally lazy and stuck in the old times. Many don’t understand the implications of not provisioning for fibre properly or are at the mercy of the property owner not wanting to budge on the extra $$$ to pre plan it.

ideal situation is the builder project manages the install at the time of build and organises the local fibre network provider to complete the path of the install.
but again, builders don’t understand they can simply contact chorus etc and arrange the pre work…

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#3241799 28-May-2024 14:42

trig42:

If it hadn't been available to install, or the install path was horrid, I would have moved on (or offered less).

^^^^^ This! is excatly what I was referring to, maybe $300k was a bit of an exaggeration

Goosey:

ideal situation is the builder project manages the install at the time of build and organises the local fibre network provider to complete the path of the install.
but again, builders don’t understand they can simply contact chorus etc and arrange the pre work…

They then have to "pay" when fiber is "free" and so they don't want to do that

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#3241800 28-May-2024 14:48

nztim:

Jase2985:

got any data to back that up?

i think most people (non techie) would miss that it didnt have fibre.

You notice I used the words "could"

If during the pre settlement phase the new purchaser goes to connect service to find no installation has been done this could bring the contract back to the negotiation table

lol maybe in .1% of cases but i really doubt it. On an urban property, you would be pushing it to spend more than 10K on an install, unless you were down a long ass drive or something.

Unless it was stipulated in the sale and purchase agreements then you would likely be stuck with it.

But like i said 90% of people just dont care enough to check or really care about it enough.

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#3241922 28-May-2024 18:43

Thanks everybody for the suggestions, awesome to get a range of views and they all help!

In short term, I'll try the 5G Wireless Broadband from 2 degrees, but will also try and get fibre installed in the next year or so (we're unlikely to sell the house for at least the next decade or two).

If anyone knows an "outside-the-box" thinking electrician in Greenlane, please let me know. There's one orange conduit currently carrying power from the switchboard to the pond that we might be able to put the fibre back up the other way - the chorus techs didn't think it was possible but worth checking again I think. (maybe we can remove power cable, twist power cable and fibre together and re-install through conduit).

Cheers again

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#3241954 28-May-2024 20:09

They can't use electrical conduit, only green pipe. They can (or really should) only install it inside a green telecommunications conduit. The orange one most likely belongs to the power/lines company, who probably wouldn't allow non-electrical cables inside their conduit. Ditto if you tried to use a water pipe, for example.

If you don't have any green pipe installed (or it sounds like your current one is damaged), then yes, asking an electrician about installing one may be a good starting point.

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#3242072 29-May-2024 06:43

I’d be starting to think how you can…

1) get a conduit up the left hand side of the driveway (seems easy enough until the gate next to the garage)

2) get that conduit tunneled under that fence and then onto the left hand front of the garage

3) it won’t look out of place as the entry point will only be about 30cm above the ground (you can have a shrub in front)

4) once it’s inside the garage you can then get it to the ceiling space and think about where to next.

what you haven’t told us is how the internal wiring has been installed

where is the comms cupboard that congregates all the Ethernet outlets etc installed
Where did you think you want your wifi router ?
Where does the current phone line enter the house?

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#3242075 29-May-2024 08:04

quickymart:

They can't use electrical conduit, only green pipe. They can (or really should) only install it inside a green telecommunications conduit. The orange one most likely belongs to the power/lines company, who probably wouldn't allow non-electrical cables inside their conduit. Ditto if you tried to use a water pipe, for example.

If you don't have any green pipe installed (or it sounds like your current one is damaged), then yes, asking an electrician about installing one may be a good starting point.

How true is this? I know of several places where electrical conduit was used. The old NZPO conduit was grey and AFAIK that gets reused. The issue might be size. I think telco conduit is labelled like water pipe so 20mm has internal size of electrical 25mm conduit. Sharing with power cables in any conduit wouldn't be allowed.

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#3242087 29-May-2024 09:01

Bung:

How true is this? I know of several places where electrical conduit was used. The old NZPO conduit was grey and AFAIK that gets reused.

Definitely the NZPO is reused it has at my place.

I don't think electrical conduit meets standards

https://www.chorus.co.nz/themes/custom/chorus_consumer/components/assets/docs/property-development/Wiring-homes-for-fibre.pdf

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