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#3359854 2-Apr-2025 19:33

Hasnt MS said , many times, that unsupported hardware running Win11 MIGHT NOT get Winupdates .

So , Win11 on unsupported hardware isnt a realistic answer , especially for all the thousands of company PC's running W10 .
I suspect many will just continue with Win10 .

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#3359855 2-Apr-2025 19:33

Thanks for those answers

"We think the real rationale is likely that Microsoft and its hardware partners want consumers to have to buy a new Windows 11 computers, so they can make more money," Gelling claimed." Yep thats probably the size of it.

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#3359900 2-Apr-2025 22:07

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Hasnt MS said , many times, that unsupported hardware running Win11 MIGHT NOT get Winupdates .

So , Win11 on unsupported hardware isnt a realistic answer , especially for all the thousands of company PC's running W10 .
I suspect many will just continue with Win10 .

Considering they will charge a subscription for people to continue to get updates, it essentially moves windows 10 users to a subscription model. Windows 10 was supposed to be the final version so I suspect many people expected that it would keep working for as long as they needed it. I can’t ever recall Microsoft doing this sort of thing before, where hardware is capable of running the OS but can’t be used. If it was security related then they wouldn’t still be supporting windows 10 for years to come via paid support as I can’t see windows 10 being as secure as windows 11

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#3359960 3-Apr-2025 00:01

Microsoft are currently locking down the install / setup process to require you to create a Microsoft account, next they will move to a paid subscription service for Windows to use and get updates for it, it may be for Windows 12 or 13 but it's coming soon.

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#3360238 3-Apr-2025 16:15

mattwnz:

Windows 10 was supposed to be the final version...

I believed the same for a while. While that fallacy was widely reported, it was never actually a thing.

mattwnz:

I can’t ever recall Microsoft doing this sort of thing before, where hardware is capable of running the OS but can’t be used. If it was security related then they wouldn’t still be supporting windows 10 for years to come via paid support as I can’t see windows 10 being as secure as windows 11.

I don't know the intimate details, but the key requirement for Windows 11 is a TPM 2 security module. On older machines, a TPM 1.0 or 1.2 was an additional chip, but more recent models have a TPM 2.x baked into the processor. That is pretty much the line in the sand for Windows 11. These processors were released in late 2017, so almost all computers under 8 years old as of the Windows 10 retirement date will be able to run Windows 11.

The number of people running 7+ year old computers will be relatively small, but I do appreciate that these may be low income families who will struggle to afford an upgrade. Hopefully those families can pick up a retired 3-5 year old business computer for a cheap price that will run Windows 11.

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#3360243 3-Apr-2025 16:27

AAC:

Thanks for those answers

"We think the real rationale is likely that Microsoft and its hardware partners want consumers to have to buy a new Windows 11 computers, so they can make more money," Gelling claimed." Yep thats probably the size of it.

Nope - it's because the new computers support hardware encryption required for modern security. Apple have a similar system in their devices.

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#3360247 3-Apr-2025 16:38

Dynamic:

I do appreciate that these may be low income families who will struggle to afford an upgrade. Hopefully those families can pick up a retired 3-5 year old business computer for a cheap price that will run Windows 11.

Half the country is made up of families who can't afford to shell out for a 3-5 year old ex-lease ($300-500?), especially when they already have a working computer...

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#3360275 3-Apr-2025 18:12

cddt:

Dynamic:

I do appreciate that these may be low income families who will struggle to afford an upgrade. Hopefully those families can pick up a retired 3-5 year old business computer for a cheap price that will run Windows 11.

Half the country is made up of families who can't afford to shell out for a 3-5 year old ex-lease ($300-500?), especially when they already have a working computer...

Yep - and then there's people like me who can afford one, but what I have works fine for what i need it for - and the idea of trashing a working pc doesn't sit right with me.

Appreciate there are potential security risks with bypassing Win11 requirements using Flyby11 like I did - but isn't it the same risk i have had for the 8 years or so i have run this pc on Win 10?

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#3381729 8-Jun-2025 13:24

Hello All

I see our work computer (Dell those small CPU attached the back of monitor has recently upgrade to the Windows 11.... My assumption that the work machine that was first installed was quite new, 3 years in total)

given that they are on a very minimal system requirement, can't see any difference in terms of operation and speed wise, as we have to log on to the remote desktop anyways.

so i just went back to my files, and I have discovered my old invoice from my current computer.

does this description below, do you think it will still has some life on it?

the machine was built 2015, so this year is exactly 10 years haha

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#3381734 8-Jun-2025 13:59

I have one i5 older than that. It's working very well with windows 11 for all the usual things. You didn't mention ram. I'm fairly sure mine is the minimum 4 or 8 gb.

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#3381735 8-Jun-2025 14:14

gzt: I have one i5 older than that. It's working very well with windows 11 for all the usual things. You didn't mention ram. I'm fairly sure mine is the minimum 4 or 8 gb.

i am sure ram is fine, but we will supposed to use the existing one, one eventually uncomptiable after everything was installed, so we have to buy the additional ram from a separate invoice

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#3381872 8-Jun-2025 22:42

My desktop is a 5th gen i7-6900k processor from 2016 and not on the Win 11 update list. Added a TPM2 module and the update from Win 10 went fine. Been 5 months on Win 11 and all updates go smoothly. Fingers crossed.

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#3381893 9-Jun-2025 07:24

MartinGZ:

My desktop is a 5th gen i7-6900k processor from 2016 and not on the Win 11 update list. Added a TPM2 module and the update from Win 10 went fine. Been 5 months on Win 11 and all updates go smoothly. Fingers crossed.

@MartinGZ may I ask what TPM2 module did you purchase?

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#3381991 9-Jun-2025 10:30

Dynamic:

@MartinGZ may I ask what TPM2 module did you purchase?

I don't know if they differ, but mine was for an ASUS motherboard. Sourced it from AliExpress for around $30 and if it wasn't genuine it certainly looked it and works well. I now see that PBTech have them in stock for $5.75. They were listed on PBT when I bought mine, but they had zero stock at the time.

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#3382018 9-Jun-2025 11:35

MartinGZ:

My desktop is a 5th gen i7-6900k processor from 2016 and not on the Win 11 update list. Added a TPM2 module and the update from Win 10 went fine. Been 5 months on Win 11 and all updates go smoothly. Fingers crossed.

This prompted me to have a look at my old box (running a 7th gen), found out that Asus had actually released an updated BIOS for that particular board which enabled TPM 2.0. Still getting hit with the 'incompatible CPU' in the Health Check step though. Sounds like it just worked for you though?

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