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#2029235 4-Jun-2018 14:42

dman:

Our country's parole board is clearly very badly screwed up.

This is exactly why we had the 3S legalisation (which unfortunately this Labour government is going to be getting rid of) to help remove the parole board from making some of the worst dumbest decisions in releasing people early.

Its not just our parole board unfortunately. Its our justice system too. Its extremely difficult these days to get into prison, you need to be a seriously violent individual with many repeat offenses under your belt. Even then, chances are you will not stay for very long.

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#2029321 4-Jun-2018 16:37

This is stupid of Labour. Somebody WILL be killed. They don't know WTF they are doing.

David Farrar is doing a daily series of posts on Kiwiblog featuring 'Second Strikers' who will soon be released thaks to Labour abolishing the Three Strikes law.

Many of the them committed offences while on bail.

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#2042523 22-Jun-2018 16:44

For anyone that is interested they can read the summary of the Parole Board decision here.

I have a close personal interest in this case. Yes, he killed 3 people and attempted to kill a 4th. However, he was also mentally ill. To be absolutely clear I'm far from a bleeding heart. There are certainly in my opinion people that should never be released. But the only way one might conclude that Poulter is one of them is if one was to focus solely on the nature and specifics of the crime and ignore the circumstances and what has happened since in terms of rehabilitation and mitigation of risk.

Poulter has done everything asked of him over his 22 years in prison. He spent 3 years on release-to-work and 20 other guided releases. He has been tested in challenging environments to the point where the Parole Board considers he does not pose undue risk to the public based on expert reports (granted, not an exact science but it's the best we have right now). He will be closely monitored for compliance with both his standard and special release conditions - some which will remain with him for life as does the possibility of recall to prison. It would be arbitrary to continue to imprison him just to satisfy what amounts to little more than blood lust.

networkn:...one thing I do not grasp is why an appeal from a criminal can happen MUCH further down the road, than an appeal on a sentence that was unjust (IMO) in the first place.

Both the prosecution and defence have the same time frame in which to appeal any decisions. Ensuring the integrity of a conviction is the reason for the appeals process than simply getting a one and forgetting about it. It's absolutely essential to justice.

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#2042534 22-Jun-2018 17:06

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It's absolutely essential to justice.

There is no justice system in New Zealand, merely a legal system which is heavily biased against victims and their families.

If we had a justice system, then people like your Mr Poulter wouldn't be appearing for parole because the state would have executed them.

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#2042535 22-Jun-2018 17:06

I don't for one minute think that the members of the Parole Board underestimated the risk that releasing Poulter carries. They're all seriously aware of the backlash that will occur should he even fart in public, & when just saying "No" is far easier than releasing him on parole, must have had high-quality answers to every single question posed.

Now that he's out, good luck to him. I certainly hope his release is not able to be used as a precedent to compel parole for other heinous murderers that currently have no realistic parole opportunity.

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#2042537 22-Jun-2018 17:09

If long prison sentences were any kind of deterrent, then the USA should be the safest country in the world methinks.

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#2042550 22-Jun-2018 17:53

DarthKermit:

If long prison sentences were any kind of deterrent, then the USA should be the safest country in the world methinks.

Personally I don't desire long prison sentences either, because they cost the taxpayer too much. If someone is too dangerous to society to release, you shoot them, and if they are not you give them a shorter, punitive sentence (e.g. hard labour).

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#2042572 22-Jun-2018 18:28

DarthKermit:

If long prison sentences were any kind of deterrent, then the USA should be the safest country in the world methinks.

You can hold up a 7eleven there with a toy pistol and get 75 years

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#2043296 24-Jun-2018 20:57

Lias:

If we had a justice system, then people like your Mr Poulter wouldn't be appearing for parole because the state would have executed them.

With the exception of victimless crimes (eg, personal drug use) I'm usually pretty hard-line on justice. I'm all for stiffer sentences for things like burglaries, don't have a problem with locking people who are violent and dangerous away for long periods of time. I don't really have a problem with the Three Strikes Law, and do think that life imprisonment should really mean life for some offenders,

However, I'm not a fan of the death penalty. Among other things, Arthur Allen Thomas (who was innocent and framed) and a number of innocent people would have been put to death. You can kind of compensate someone for wrongful imprisonment, but not for execution. Plus, I recoil from the concept of executing the mentally ill. It's barbarous and uncivilised.

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#2043313 24-Jun-2018 22:41

JimmyH:

Plus, I recoil from the concept of executing the mentally ill. It's barbarous and uncivilised.

We don't even blink twice at killing dogs that attack other animals let alone people, but we fail to apply the same to people for reasons I've never really understood. I don't really care if people are mentally ill or just evil, once you reach a certain level of criminal activity (and spree killing sure as heck does), you should be put down for the protection of society, because you simply cannot guarantee they won't do it again.

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#2043676 25-Jun-2018 17:11

Lias:

JimmyH:

Plus, I recoil from the concept of executing the mentally ill. It's barbarous and uncivilised.

We don't even blink twice at killing dogs that attack other animals let alone people, but we fail to apply the same to people for reasons I've never really understood. I don't really care if people are mentally ill or just evil, once you reach a certain level of criminal activity (and spree killing sure as heck does), you should be put down for the protection of society, because you simply cannot guarantee they won't do it again.

You could learn - but nah.

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#2043848 25-Jun-2018 23:18

Fred99:

You could learn - but nah.

I doubt I could ever learn to think like you to be honest. I can objectively understand that not everyone wants to execute every single paedophile, rapist and murderer, but I genuinely fail to understand why they think that way, nor do I think I'd want my mind work like that. What sort of sick mind believes paedophiles, rapists and murderers should be allowed to be exist after the things they have done? I simply cannot fathom it.

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#2043894 26-Jun-2018 08:48

Lias:

Fred99:

You could learn - but nah.

I doubt I could ever learn to think like you to be honest. I can objectively understand that not everyone wants to execute every single paedophile, rapist and murderer, but I genuinely fail to understand why they think that way, nor do I think I'd want my mind work like that. What sort of sick mind believes paedophiles, rapists and murderers should be allowed to be exist after the things they have done? I simply cannot fathom it.

Don't forget, these criminals get to vote too.. Unfortunately for their victims, they no longer have that privilege. They are dead. So anything better than being dead for a paedophile, rapist or murderer should be seen as a privilege, not a right. Unfortunately they are protected by the law. In a country without law and order, mob justice would deal with these types.

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#2043899 26-Jun-2018 08:54

Lias:

Fred99:

You could learn - but nah.

I doubt I could ever learn to think like you to be honest. I can objectively understand that not everyone wants to execute every single paedophile, rapist and murderer, but I genuinely fail to understand why they think that way, nor do I think I'd want my mind work like that. What sort of sick mind believes paedophiles, rapists and murderers should be allowed to be exist after the things they have done? I simply cannot fathom it.

Please don't read this - your ignorance is entertaining - in a "listening to an incoherent angry drunk" kind of way.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/capitalpunishment/against_1.shtml

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#2043907 26-Jun-2018 09:01

I am a strong believer in creating a Gangstas Paradise on an island and if you commit a crime like sexual, homicidal or aggravated violence you lose all forms of citizenship all over the globe and get permanently banished to said island to join your fellow criminals and live in the ranks of their society. If they kill, rape, torture or vandalize any of their buddies literally no one cares and its no ones fault.

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