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#1662965 2-Nov-2016 21:12

DarthKermit:

Thread author: are you able to post a picture of a satellite view showing your place and the neighbours'?

https://imgur.com/a/UNr3L

Box = Driveway start

Arrow = Driveway to property

Thin Line = Property outline

Red = Ours

Black = Neighbour

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#1662969 2-Nov-2016 21:29

Ok, if I'm looking at that correctly, you don't have a shared driveway? I wonder if a new conduit could be run down one side of the drive or the other to your house.

Would the road be on the left side of that image?

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#1662970 2-Nov-2016 21:30

Wow. Our site is cross lease. We are on the road side and down a one shared drive alongside our house is our neighbour.

We have a garage on the road side so the equivalent to your setup would be the fibre box being at the top of that black box.

Chorus are going to trench from the box to the kerb (i.e. away from our house), across the garage driveway between the drive and the kerb (Takapuna triangle so no drive slope to the road), then trench along the berm and down the shared drive (cut and cover).

Hope that makes sense.

Where is your fibre box - the green thing on the berm?

Am thinking that if Chorus were planning to do something similar, you can show your neighbour that they are not going into her property as such and she might just say yes.

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#1662973 2-Nov-2016 21:34

DarthKermit:

Ok, if I'm looking at that correctly, you don't have a shared driveway? I wonder if a new conduit could be run down one side of the drive or the other to your house.

Would the road be on the left side of that image?

Yep, that's the road. We don't have a shared driveway. Chrous said the problem comes because the phone line goes across like this: https://imgur.com/a/5PiDO

It's the same line, then splits off into two WHILE it's on her property.

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#1662975 2-Nov-2016 21:39

CrypticKaxar:

Yep, that's the road. We don't have a shared driveway. Chrous said the problem comes because the phone line goes across like this: https://imgur.com/a/5PiDO

It's the same line, then splits off into two WHILE it's on her property.

I find that a bit weird 'cos in our case, they are running a whole new cable. Perhaps it is because they couldn't run the fibre through the existing underground conduit (there are no overhead cables to our neighbours).

Just saying that if you hassled Chorus for their scoping plans, it may shed new light on it and the neighbour will have nothing to worry about.

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#1662976 2-Nov-2016 21:42

That is so mickey mouse. According to Chorus' own requirements, each premises must have its own separate lead-in conduit.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-broadband/contractors/installig-underground-telecommunications-lead-ins-for-urban-premises

How the hell did your one ever happen I wonder?

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#1662977 2-Nov-2016 21:42

Do you know who the subcontractor to Chorus is?

I have had good luck calling and speaking to the likes of UCG, explaining the situation. Often times they will send out a manager who will "assess" the situation as untenable and submit an alternative plan to Chorus who approve it and Fibre is run a different way.

Whilst I don't usually go around the normal process, your situation requires some thinking outside the box.

Alternatively, I would simply politely go and explain to the neighbour that your phone and internet isn't working reliably, that the work to install fibre would be non intrusive and you are prepared to compensate her for the inconvenience. Regardless of the outcome, remain calm, and accept her refusal if it occurs.

Better still see if you can convince your landlord to do it. Fibre will make his property more valuable.

Do not threaten her, get angry with her, suggest you'll report her dog, damage her property or anything else stupid that others have suggested (even in jest), there is no coming back from those actions and long term, they have much worse ramifications for you, than her.

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#1662979 2-Nov-2016 21:52

Still havent advised if this is a crosslease or not, if it is then they have to approve any work done on it as it is one title.

Richard rich.ms

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#1662992 2-Nov-2016 22:19

networkn:

Do you know who the subcontractor to Chorus is?

I have had good luck calling and speaking to the likes of UCG, explaining the situation. Often times they will send out a manager who will "assess" the situation as untenable and submit an alternative plan to Chorus who approve it and Fibre is run a different way.

Whilst I don't usually go around the normal process, your situation requires some thinking outside the box.

Alternatively, I would simply politely go and explain to the neighbour that your phone and internet isn't working reliably, that the work to install fibre would be non intrusive and you are prepared to compensate her for the inconvenience. Regardless of the outcome, remain calm, and accept her refusal if it occurs.

Better still see if you can convince your landlord to do it. Fibre will make his property more valuable.

Do not threaten her, get angry with her, suggest you'll report her dog, damage her property or anything else stupid that others have suggested (even in jest), there is no coming back from those actions and long term, they have much worse ramifications for you, than her.

Like I said, we've had her as a neighbour for 12 years. She won't be budging. We have a mutual hate for eachother.

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#1662994 2-Nov-2016 22:22

richms:

Still havent advised if this is a crosslease or not, if it is then they have to approve any work done on it as it is one title.

No it's not. Our properties were one, and it was subdivided, now we have 2 different properties.

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#1663000 2-Nov-2016 22:31

DarthKermit:

That is so mickey mouse. According to Chorus' own requirements, each premises must have its own separate lead-in conduit.

https://www.chorus.co.nz/wiring-for-broadband/contractors/installig-underground-telecommunications-lead-ins-for-urban-premises

How the hell did your one ever happen I wonder?

Because our properties used to be one, and they were subdivided I'm guessing.

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#1663001 2-Nov-2016 22:36

huckster:

Wow. Our site is cross lease. We are on the road side and down a one shared drive alongside our house is our neighbour.

We have a garage on the road side so the equivalent to your setup would be the fibre box being at the top of that black box.

Chorus are going to trench from the box to the kerb (i.e. away from our house), across the garage driveway between the drive and the kerb (Takapuna triangle so no drive slope to the road), then trench along the berm and down the shared drive (cut and cover).

Hope that makes sense.

Where is your fibre box - the green thing on the berm?

Am thinking that if Chorus were planning to do something similar, you can show your neighbour that they are not going into her property as such and she might just say yes.

It's outside our house on the grass.

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#1663012 2-Nov-2016 23:52

It is likely your property is on a cross lease. If so, the routing of the phone line / fiber doesn't matter, chorus needs permission for any work (they needed permission to put fiber through existing conduit at our place).

Best way to find our type of land ownership in place is to request a copy of the title (but this costs a few dolars, and takes time)

Otherwise if in auckland look up your property here

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/ratesbuildingproperty/ratesvaluations/ratespropertysearch/Pages/RatesSearch.aspx

My (cross lease) legal description is :Flat 2 DP ###### on Lot ## DP ###### 1/2 SH 675m2 (identifying info removed), also if you look up the property boundries on council GIS, a cross lease property won't show a boundary between the houses.

If your are on a cross lease section, and your are not prepared to use Bribes, Duress or Fraud, your best bet is to lobby the MP for your area for a law change (things are in the works, but more voices help).

Frankly it is crazy the government has spent so much money on UFB (which is awesome), but has not taken the cheap step of classifying a UFB connection as essential infrastructure (as the likes of an electrical connection already is), as such allowing vengeful neighbors to block access.

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#1663016 3-Nov-2016 00:22

Scott3:

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/ratesbuildingproperty/ratesvaluations/ratespropertysearch/Pages/RatesSearch.aspx

Every council will have this available online, just google "<name of council> gis"

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#1663021 3-Nov-2016 01:57

You may need to draw a plan of your section in relation to teh road and your neighbour. IANAL, but I can't understand why it involves your neighbor at all. Maybe your existing phone line is under their property, but if that is the case, you will have an easement, which should allow work to be carried out on that line. If there is no easement, then that cable shouldn't be allowed on their property anyway, and chorus should remove it. I would think the logical thing for chorus to do is to do a new install from the road, and up your driveway.

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