Telecom UFB advertised as asymmetrical...?

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#140845 22-Feb-2014 00:01

Can someone explain why Telecom's UFB products are being advertised with asymmetrical speeds instead of being (as it should be) symmetrical? (I have a tongue-in-cheek guess, something to do with GCSB, or PRISM...)

All tongue-in-cheek guesses are welcomed, too.

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#992122 22-Feb-2014 00:01

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#992139 22-Feb-2014 00:29

Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

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#992146 22-Feb-2014 01:23

insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

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#992149 22-Feb-2014 06:50

croc123:
insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

And we are selling the services that the crown fibre holdings (CFH) local fibre companies (LFCs) such as Chorus, Enable, UFF or NorthPower provide.

If you needed a symmetrical uncontested port to your home that can be provided but expect a 4 ot 5 figure digit type bill for getting the business grade service.

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#992164 22-Feb-2014 08:26

croc123:
insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

There is a very rational reason - pretty much every new FTTH deployment around the world is GPON.

If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

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#992166 22-Feb-2014 08:43

sbiddle: If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

Wow, that pricing has improved by an order of magnitude; I was quoted $4399/month for 100 Mb/s a few years ago!

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#992181 22-Feb-2014 09:05

Behodar:
sbiddle: If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

Wow, that pricing has improved by an order of magnitude; I was quoted $4399/month for 100 Mb/s a few years ago!

It is.. but it's also wholesale price so not taking into account installation and the handover ongoing costs, backhaul and international capacity. Then paying wages and trying to make a profit.

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#992182 22-Feb-2014 09:09

Ah right, it's too early in the morning for the retail/wholesale distinction :)

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#992199 22-Feb-2014 09:47

sbiddle:
croc123:
insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

There is a very rational reason - pretty much every new FTTH deployment around the world is GPON.

If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

Interesting. I just put in a Vodafone UFB circuit (CBD) and the best I could get was 100/50 500G for $299. I would pay $100 more for 100/100 but it doesn't seem available. Might have to talk to my account manager.

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#992239 22-Feb-2014 11:16

plambrechtsen:
Behodar:
sbiddle: If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

Wow, that pricing has improved by an order of magnitude; I was quoted $4399/month for 100 Mb/s a few years ago!

It is.. but it's also wholesale price so not taking into account installation and the handover ongoing costs, backhaul and international capacity. Then paying wages and trying to make a profit.

So $395 retail then, and I better get my full 100Mbps to every overseas site in the world or I won't pay my bill :) :)
Oh and that's over wireless to my 10 year old laptop of course!

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#992241 22-Feb-2014 11:17

plambrechtsen:
croc123:
insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

And we are selling the services that the crown fibre holdings (CFH) local fibre companies (LFCs) such as Chorus, Enable, UFF or NorthPower provide.

If you needed a symmetrical uncontested port to your home that can be provided but expect a 4 ot 5 figure digit type bill for getting the business grade service.

Come on its not that expensive. a 1gbps connection for us is less than 2k a month including unlimited national and an extra 1k for 100mbps unlimited international

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#992247 22-Feb-2014 11:24

lchiu7:
sbiddle:
croc123:
insane: Its to do with the design choice to use GPON, 2.4Gbps down, 1.2Gbps up shared between up to 32 houses

Was not aware of that. I suppose there was a rational reason for not using EPON...

There is a very rational reason - pretty much every new FTTH deployment around the world is GPON.

If you want a symmetrical service P2P offerings are available as part of the CFH pricebook and are identical to those of HSHS now, starting at (from memory) $385 per month excl CIR for a 100Mbps service.

Interesting. I just put in a Vodafone UFB circuit (CBD) and the best I could get was 100/50 500G for $299. I would pay $100 more for 100/100 but it doesn't seem available. Might have to talk to my account manager.

$395 is the ratecard (wholesale) price for the product and excludes any CIR which is added in 10Mbps increments. The key difference between GPON and P2P is that with P2P you have dedicated bandwidth and pay for a CIR GPON is shared infrastructure, the only speed guarantee is the CIR high priority queue component of 2.5Mbps on that 100Mbps UFB connection. Retail is going to be significantly higher than this as you've got to factor in backhaul as well which is also a CIR product.

If you want P2P at present you're more than likely to end up on the existing P2P network rather than UFB.