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bmine2nyt

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#196604 6-Jun-2016 13:57

HI,

I ordered fibre last week. Im renting a house i informed my landlord regarding the fibre consent.

My land lord replied:

Yes you will need my consent to proceed with the install, i will need;

1. Understanding of what the works will be, e.g. Any penetrations in walls or roofs etc.

2. Any cables laid underground and where they cables will run

3. Any cables at height, e.g. From poles plus plans etc.

4. Agreement that (if required) you will remove and put back to original when/if you vacate

5. Details of any install of any comms boxes in the house.

6. Details of any additional power circuits or RCD circuits

7. Copies of any certificates of install

Hope that is okay

I dont know what to reply should i ask chorus about this?

Cheers!

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#1566515 6-Jun-2016 14:02

You should show that list of requirements to the Chorus guy when you have your scoping visit.

bmine2nyt

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#1566516 6-Jun-2016 14:07

DarthKermit:

You should show that list of requirements to the Chorus guy when you have your scoping visit.

ok.. thanks :)

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#1566518 6-Jun-2016 14:11

You might actually be best to have your landlord present for the scoping visit - that way he can ask any questions himself.

The fact that he refers to you putting everything back into original condition when you vacate would suggest that he has very little understanding of UFB installations.

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#1566519 6-Jun-2016 14:15

tell him that getting hooked up to UFB is adding value to his investment property

atomeara

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#1566523 6-Jun-2016 14:28

It would be best for him to be there for the scoping. They will answer most of the those questions and go over the install and he can sign the consent form (most of the time they require the property owner to be there)

1,2,3 and 5 they will cover in the scoping.

4 UFB won't come out when you move. It stays there for the next person. They don't remove the phone lines when you move house.

6. The ONT uses very little power.

7. As far as I know these don't exist, there is a sign off form both parties sign at the end saying everyone is happy.

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#1566547 6-Jun-2016 15:06

Chorus dont do electrical work so there is no cert for that. It just plugs in. Not sure where the landlord pulled that list from, seems absurd.

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#1566548 6-Jun-2016 15:07

bmine2nyt:

HI,

I ordered fibre last week. Im renting a house i informed my landlord regarding the fibre consent.

My land lord replied:

Hi Yes you will need my consent to proceed with the install, i will need; 1. Understanding of what the works will be, e.g. Any penetrations in walls or roofs etc. 2. Any cables laid underground and where they cables will run 3. Any cables at height, e.g. From poles plus plans etc. 4. Agreement that (if required) you will remove and put back to original when/if you vacate 5. Details of any install of any comms boxes in the house. 6. Details of any additional power circuits or RCD circuits 7. Copies of any certificates of install Hope that is okay I dont know what to reply should i ask chorus about this? Cheers!

That's all perfectly reasonable. Chorus have come up with install designs at time that aren't as good as they might be. My own fibre install was blocked for some months because the original design proposed serving fibre to a rear property via a box attached to the exterior wall of a house owned by a different person (who had a tenant who wanted fibre). The landlord had no objection to fibre, he just didn't want a box on the side of the house that was integral to someone else's service.

So being clear with Chorus about what is and isn't acceptable can help. The issue there is that the modern contracted-out -no-one-knows-anything service model, trying to get that sort of intelligence collected together in one place at one time can be hard.

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#1566582 6-Jun-2016 16:39

The main point is that You need consent from your landlord not Chorus - as it is You who signs the consent to install not your landlord.

One of the points noted on the consent is that - If you are not the owner of the property then you have gained the property owners consent to do the install.

Chorus & their contractors take no responsibility for you not having this when you sign so as has already be commented on by others if you want to make sure there is no mis-understandings as to what will happen to the property during the install have your Landlord on site at the time of the Scope visit.

Any additional power requirements that may be required you will have to sort out separately.

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#1566624 6-Jun-2016 17:23

InstallerUFB:

The main point is that You need consent from your landlord not Chorus - as it is You who signs the consent to install not your landlord.

One of the points noted on the consent is that - If you are not the owner of the property then you have gained the property owners consent to do the install.

Chorus & their contractors take no responsibility for you not having this when you sign so as has already be commented on by others if you want to make sure there is no mis-understandings as to what will happen to the property during the install have your Landlord on site at the time of the Scope visit.

Any additional power requirements that may be required you will have to sort out separately.

That's all well and good, but sometimes there need to be a discussion with responsible persons to sort out exactly what is being consented to.......and under the current delivery model that can be well nigh impossible. Been there. Chorus and their contractors can "take no responsibility" all day long......and that attitude has prevented many, many fibre installs.

A more collaborative, co-operative process would have removed many, MANY obstacles to getting consent (and saved all concerned vast amounts of time wasted doing nothing useful in the broken process). Again....been there.

Update: In the end, the only reason my fibre got installed was I happened to see a guy out on the shared driveway....and went to see who he was. He was a Chorus fibre install designer. We talked for a while and I gave him some information that went beyond the one order he was looking at and gave him an overview of the site with 5 houses on it. THEN he understood what the objection was and designed around it. Job done. The install went ahead. But if I hadn't happened to wander out there.....he would have submitted another failed design...and consent would not have been given. If Chorus just actually SPOKE to people.......they might find they waste a lot less time wandering around effectively doing nothing while being ever so "efficient".

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atomeara

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#1566677 6-Jun-2016 19:03

UFBInstaller is correct for SDU (a single house) units it is your consent not the land owner. However in your case I suggest you get the land owner there for the scoping.

Below is an example of the Chorus SDU consent form, the scoping guy will get you to sign it when he turns up.
https://www.chorus.co.nz/file/71410/NDF-240-Ultra-Fast-Broadband-Installation-Consent-Form.pdf

However ROW (shared driveway, etc) and MDU (apartments or office block, etc) it is the land owner(s) consent.

The ROW process is a disaster its taking about 6-8 weeks to get a designer out (Meadowbank, Auckland), mine has gone back for the 3rd time for a design change. Because the designer can not follow simple instructions like when there are 5 houses down a ROW and you are seeking consent from 5 property owners you actually need to install to all five, not just 3 of them. They had to be told for the 3rd time by Wilson Hurst.

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#1566744 6-Jun-2016 20:48

As a recent land lord, there's no way I would allow any tenant to install things to my house without me being there.

Tenants come and go but the house remains. I wouldn't want them deciding things about my house.

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#1566747 6-Jun-2016 21:07

afe66:

As a recent land lord, there's no way I would allow any tenant to install things to my house without me being there.

Tenants come and go but the house remains. I wouldn't want them deciding things about my house.

A.

Agreed.

I've told my property manager(s) they can consent on my behalf, but that I must be informed of any such changes. I know they won't do anything stupid. They know I trust them not to. I just want to keep my mental picture of the properties up to date.

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#1567298 7-Jun-2016 17:34

afe66: As a recent land lord, there's no way I would allow any tenant to install things to my house without me being there.

Tenants come and go but the house remains. I wouldn't want them deciding things about my house.

A.

Agreed. I own a rental property on the front of a cross-leased section, and was contacted by the solicitor of the owner of the rear property whose tenant wanted UFB installed. Trenching, conduit, etc. would have to run alongside the shared driveway. I contacted my tenant to see if they wanted it installed at the same time (which they didn't, worse luck) but I still made sure I was there for the scoping visit. I wanted to know what was going to be done, and also to make sure it was going to be easy to hook up to my property in the future.

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#1567469 7-Jun-2016 20:56

That's a fairly reasonable list IMHO. The landlord obviously just wants to make sure they know what's being done in advance, not some cowboy drilling holes in walls and digging up things. Just get the information for them, and until you have it and they're happy don't sign anything to get the install go ahead.