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#1239115 14-Feb-2015 21:18

Just signed up and first impressions...

Can't even sign up in the app - first sign this isn't going to be good...
App is terrible - takes longer to buffer and stream than Hulu/Netflix even though the quality is terrible. 1.8mbit max
Seems to break seasons into new icons making the content library look larger
Supports resume which worked ok
Some good content but library was very small - hbo stuff is a bonus which will boost it against competitors
Price at $20 is over priced - I expect it to drop to $15 very quickly

Will be canceling right away - the sooner Netflix launches the better. These providers need to understand the importance of quality app/ device support and what kind of content library is expected for the price. This isn't sky - you can't get away with SD!!!

Looking forward to what the market will look like in 5 years!

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#1239137 14-Feb-2015 21:31

KiwiNZ:
NZ cannot legislate for other countries and effect the legal rights of foreign entities. If Disney don't want to sell a product here they don't have to, if they chose to sell it here they have the right to set the price they wish for it.

We wouldn't be legislating for other countries, we'd just simply passing a law saying that if digital content is not legally available in NZ, at comparable prices to other countries, then we don't recognise the copyright on it. There would be nothing forcing companies to sell their product in NZ, just simply ensuring that if they chose not to do so, our citizens are not penalized for obtaining that content by whatever means necessary.

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#1239138 14-Feb-2015 21:34

Lias:
KiwiNZ:
NZ cannot legislate for other countries and effect the legal rights of foreign entities. If Disney don't want to sell a product here they don't have to, if they chose to sell it here they have the right to set the price they wish for it.

We wouldn't be legislating for other countries, we'd just simply passing a law saying that if digital content is not legally available in NZ, at comparable prices to other countries, then we don't recognise the copyright on it. There would be nothing forcing companies to sell their product in NZ, just simply ensuring that if they chose not to do so, our citizens are not penalized for obtaining that content by whatever means necessary.

That would be commercial suicide for us and a very stupid thing to do.

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#1239149 14-Feb-2015 22:03

KiwiNZ:
Lias:
KiwiNZ:
NZ cannot legislate for other countries and effect the legal rights of foreign entities. If Disney don't want to sell a product here they don't have to, if they chose to sell it here they have the right to set the price they wish for it.

We wouldn't be legislating for other countries, we'd just simply passing a law saying that if digital content is not legally available in NZ, at comparable prices to other countries, then we don't recognise the copyright on it. There would be nothing forcing companies to sell their product in NZ, just simply ensuring that if they chose not to do so, our citizens are not penalized for obtaining that content by whatever means necessary.

That would be commercial suicide for us and a very stupid thing to do.

I'm sure if Internet Mana had romped in with 51% of the vote.. who knows what may have happened. But thankfully that didn't happen.

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#1239188 14-Feb-2015 23:55

KiwiNZ:
Lias:
KiwiNZ:
NZ cannot legislate for other countries and effect the legal rights of foreign entities. If Disney don't want to sell a product here they don't have to, if they chose to sell it here they have the right to set the price they wish for it.

We wouldn't be legislating for other countries, we'd just simply passing a law saying that if digital content is not legally available in NZ, at comparable prices to other countries, then we don't recognise the copyright on it. There would be nothing forcing companies to sell their product in NZ, just simply ensuring that if they chose not to do so, our citizens are not penalized for obtaining that content by whatever means necessary.

That would be commercial suicide for us and a very stupid thing to do.

Overseas interests tell us that Pharmac is commercial suicide and a very stupid thing to do, so why haven't we just rolled over and given pharmaceutical companies carte blanche to sell and set pricing here?

Re neon content

Your average (non-gz == non-vpn) punter will be most keenly interested in non-crap content that hasn't been on NZ free to air before. In TV the only show I can see that fits this category is Girls. For movies I didn't see anything at all. So the catalogue is pretty parsimonious.

Better Call Saul and Transparent are exclusive, fresh and critically praised shows that a large number of people can see for free for the next 12 months, how can neon compete with that - especially when there must be a chorus of cannibalisation-fearful dissenting voices at Sky challenging every piece of content submitted for neon?

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#1239189 14-Feb-2015 23:55

Lias: I find pretty much all the current offers for NZ consumers (excluding dns unblock/vpn to overseas content) to be pretty meh.

We need a government to legislate for the digital/copyright/intellectual property equivalent of both parallel importing and unbundling. Pass some laws like this:

If content is not legally available in NZ, pirating it is completely legal.
If content is available cheaper elsewhere in the world, companies must offer it in NZ at that price or pirating it is completely legal.
No exclusive rights to content, if content is legally available in NZ, it must be available at the same price to all companies who wish to provide it to their customers
That would solve all our content problems immediately :-) Probably get us on a US piracy watch list, and if that traitorous prick in the beehive signs the TPPA it would get us sued by big media, but it's pretty much the only way I can see of ensuring that big multinational media companies cannot keep screwing us over.

I only hope you're joking. That's absolute nuts.

I don't even know where to start with the reasons.

Cheers - N

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#1239190 15-Feb-2015 00:03

Talkiet:
Lias: I find pretty much all the current offers for NZ consumers (excluding dns unblock/vpn to overseas content) to be pretty meh.

We need a government to legislate for the digital/copyright/intellectual property equivalent of both parallel importing and unbundling. Pass some laws like this:

If content is not legally available in NZ, pirating it is completely legal.
If content is available cheaper elsewhere in the world, companies must offer it in NZ at that price or pirating it is completely legal.
No exclusive rights to content, if content is legally available in NZ, it must be available at the same price to all companies who wish to provide it to their customers
That would solve all our content problems immediately :-) Probably get us on a US piracy watch list, and if that traitorous prick in the beehive signs the TPPA it would get us sued by big media, but it's pretty much the only way I can see of ensuring that big multinational media companies cannot keep screwing us over.

I only hope you're joking. That's absolute nuts.

I don't even know where to start with the reasons.

Cheers - N

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#1239192 15-Feb-2015 00:06

We _really_ need a downvote option as well on here. I feel it's grossly unfair that some absolute clangers of posts can't get suitably recognised.

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#1239194 15-Feb-2015 00:23

tdgeek:
Talkiet:
Lias: I find pretty much all the current offers for NZ consumers (excluding dns unblock/vpn to overseas content) to be pretty meh.

We need a government to legislate for the digital/copyright/intellectual property equivalent of both parallel importing and unbundling. Pass some laws like this:

If content is not legally available in NZ, pirating it is completely legal.
If content is available cheaper elsewhere in the world, companies must offer it in NZ at that price or pirating it is completely legal.
No exclusive rights to content, if content is legally available in NZ, it must be available at the same price to all companies who wish to provide it to their customers
That would solve all our content problems immediately :-) Probably get us on a US piracy watch list, and if that traitorous prick in the beehive signs the TPPA it would get us sued by big media, but it's pretty much the only way I can see of ensuring that big multinational media companies cannot keep screwing us over.

I only hope you're joking. That's absolute nuts.

I don't even know where to start with the reasons.

Cheers - N

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I read that as Datacom the first time.

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#1239221 15-Feb-2015 07:49

Of the three services now on offer here in NZ I would rank them thus.....

1. Light Box
2. Neon
3. Quickfix

The gap between Light Box and Neon is big but the gap between Light Box , Neon and Quickfix is huge.

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#1239313 15-Feb-2015 11:58

Neon is everything I expected from a company that's never had to operate outside of a monopoly situation.

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#1239397 15-Feb-2015 15:10

Talkiet:
I only hope you're joking. That's absolute nuts.

I don't even know where to start with the reasons.

Cheers - N

Agreed that its nuts. All I think needs to happen is that for things that are not able to be purchased in NZ, the copyright tribunal accept that the loss to piracy is zero and treat the complaints appropriately.

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#1239405 15-Feb-2015 15:41

Waste of money. Should be free for SKY Customers, most people pay $80+ for their SKY this service should be included. Stick to Netflix.

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#1239417 15-Feb-2015 16:11

richms:
Talkiet:
I only hope you're joking. That's absolute nuts.

I don't even know where to start with the reasons.

Cheers - N

Agreed that its nuts. All I think needs to happen is that for things that are not able to be purchased in NZ, the copyright tribunal accept that the loss to piracy is zero and treat the complaints appropriately.

Sorry, I think that's nuts as well. You're effectively saying that unless something is released in NZ the MOMENT it's available anywhere else in the world, we should have the right to have it for free, or at least not be punished for breaching copyright.

I don't like the way copyright and regionalised rights holder timings work at the moment, but I think even jokingly proposing that NZ become essentially a copyright exempt country is laughably dangerous.

Even if stuff isn't available _NOW_ that doesn't mean the 'loss' to piracy is zero. If it's available in a day, a week, a month, a year down the line, there's value then which has been removed by allowing piracy with no penalty up to that point.

Cheers - N

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#1239423 15-Feb-2015 16:16

I am saying that anything that forces them to rethink regonalized delayed release of things online is a good thing. If the impossibility to buy something means that they cannot show any loss then there will be no point taking people to the tribunal. If they release to the second on all platforms then there would be a loss for pirated content so they have an incentive to do it.

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