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#2097098 26-Sep-2018 21:05

The interesting aspect of this is that Sky think torrents are still the main way people "pirate" content. It really just continues to show how far out of touch Sky (and their legal team) are.

Sky's biggest threat now is OTT IPTV providers. They've managed to have a few wins over people selling Kodi boxes, but the real problem is the growing number number of people now paying IPTV providers $10 month to deliver hundreds of channels of content from all around the world which includes a massive array of live sport.

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#2097105 26-Sep-2018 21:08

sbiddle:

The interesting aspect of this is that Sky think torrents are still the main way people "pirate" content. It really just continues to show how far out of touch Sky (and their legal team) are.

Sky's biggest threat now is OTT IPTV providers. They've managed to have a few wins over people selling Kodi boxes, but the real problem is the growing number number of people now paying IPTV providers $10 month to deliver hundreds of channels of content from all around the world which includes a massage array of live sport.

but steve, pirate bay has been hit plenty of times, they have gotta be the easy ones to say we did something now right!?

Why would you take on a popup OTT service that's used so much more for your content!

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#2097172 27-Sep-2018 04:44

Australian providers have already been forced into blocking certains sites.

This is what comes up if you try to access Piratebay

Content Denied

Access to this website has been disabled by an order of the Federal Court of Australia because it infringes or facilitates the infringement of copyright.

1800 086 346 for information.

But Sky don't have a clue if they think thepiratebay is even relevent these days..

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#2097183 27-Sep-2018 07:50

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Spark should block access to Sky. That'd be amusing.

or sky become their own ISP and it can be their problem.....could you imagine the walled garden.....or should I say barred prison that would be the wasteland that they would create?

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#2097184 27-Sep-2018 07:54

Apsattv:

Australian providers have already been forced into blocking certains sites.

This is what comes up if you try to access Piratebay

Content Denied

Access to this website has been disabled by an order of the Federal Court of Australia because it infringes or facilitates the infringement of copyright.

1800 086 346 for information.

But Sky don't have a clue if they think thepiratebay is even relevent these days..

you can still access The pirate bay from Australia , you just have to use Proxy's , VPN's ,which is why bans never work

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#2097190 27-Sep-2018 08:16

legal teams pursuing this don't care how out of touch they are with strategy or technology. Getting paid by the hour by a sucker who is upset about the world is their bread and butter. The hardest thing they will be doing is figuring out whether to get the Lexus or the BMW.

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#2097194 27-Sep-2018 08:29

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legal teams pursuing this don't care how out of touch they are with strategy or technology. Getting paid by the hour by a sucker who is upset about the world is their bread and butter. The hardest thing they will be doing is figuring out whether to get the Lexus or the BMW.

This should really be the answer to this thread!

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#2097199 27-Sep-2018 08:47

By the sucker, do you mean John Fellet?

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#2097218 27-Sep-2018 09:35

quickymart:

By the sucker, do you mean John Fellet?

No, John Fellet is acting rationally. Faced with a business model in decline he needs to give Sky's shareholders the impression that the board and management are doing something to preserve the company. Even if it's just expensively creating the illusion of activity rather than doing something that will have a meaningful impact. Otherwise, how do they justify their salaries and board fees?

The suckers here are Sky's shareholders, who are paying handsomely for lawyers to pursue a "solution" that is unlikely to have a meaningful impact on the business - even in the somewhat unlikely event that they can convince the Government to put it in place.

I think I have finally convinced my other half that we will dump Sky after Christmas. Between them we are watching more Netflix and Lightbox than Sky nowadays. Pricing aside, generally even when there is something on Sky we want to see, it's so ad-saturated that we give up. I think if I add a VPN to our network so that I can get the iPlayer and a few other streaming services to our TV, then will save a bit of coin by dropping a service that we wouldn't even miss.

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#2097224 27-Sep-2018 09:42

JimmyH: I think if I add a VPN to our network so that I can get the iPlayer and a few other streaming services to our TV, then will save a bit of coin by dropping a service that we wouldn't even miss.

Been there, done that, haven't looked back. So glad to be free of those damned Sky promos.

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#2097255 27-Sep-2018 10:04

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It is a pricing problem. No one bothers to download TV and movies as we have cheap as chips services now. Sport is all about price. Thats not Sky's fault, it costs. If Sky dont have it, subscribe to those that do.

I partially agree it's a pricing problem, but I disagree that no-one bothers to download TV and movies. Virtually everyone I know is happy to have a Netflix, Lightbox or sometimes Sky account, and watches a bunch of stuff on that platform. But they will also download or stream anything that's not available on that platform, content in the knowledge they've paid something towards content creation in general. Most of the tech savvy people I know run Plex servers, often combined with Sonarr/Couchpotato etc, and their wider circle of less tech savvy friends and family get their additional content that way.

Piracy is never going to be completely eliminated, but I think the best way to reduce it as much as practical is a move to something more akin to Spotify.. The platforms need to just offer all the things, and pay the content creators out based on "usage".

In completely unrelated news, a decommissioned storage server with 64tb of raw storage recently appeared in my home rack.... Just sayin :-P

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#2097274 27-Sep-2018 10:19

Lias:

I partially agree it's a pricing problem, but I disagree that no-one bothers to download TV and movies. Virtually everyone I know is happy to have a Netflix, Lightbox or sometimes Sky account, and watches a bunch of stuff on that platform. But they will also download or stream anything that's not available on that platform, content in the knowledge they've paid something towards content creation in general. Most of the tech savvy people I know run Plex servers, often combined with Sonarr/Couchpotato etc, and their wider circle of less tech savvy friends and family get their additional content that way.

Piracy is never going to be completely eliminated, but I think the best way to reduce it as much as practical is a move to something more akin to Spotify.. The platforms need to just offer all the things, and pay the content creators out based on "usage".

I think you've hit a few nails on their head there. As long as there is this fixation with regional rights models and exclusives, there will be people unhappy with that model who will take their business elsewhere. "Exclusive" by definition means "to exclude". For the same reasons as people buy their Levis from Amazon US instead of Just Jeans NZ, people will source their viewing material from overseas sources if that is more competitive. And Sky will be just as unhappy as NZ's Levis distributor is.

I still don't understand why a Spotify model can't work for video content in the same way as it works for almost every other commodity, digital or otherwise. I've suggested this a few times and the usual Sky shills pile on to say why it can't possibly work, or that it would cost an exorbitant amount of money for a sub, or other esoteric reasons. My prediction is that in a few years time we'll have a number of (possibly global) suppliers from whom we can choose to buy an overlapping range of content.

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#2097275 27-Sep-2018 10:19

Lias:

tdgeek:

It is a pricing problem. No one bothers to download TV and movies as we have cheap as chips services now. Sport is all about price. Thats not Sky's fault, it costs. If Sky dont have it, subscribe to those that do.

I partially agree it's a pricing problem, but I disagree that no-one bothers to download TV and movies. Virtually everyone I know is happy to have a Netflix, Lightbox or sometimes Sky account, and watches a bunch of stuff on that platform. But they will also download or stream anything that's not available on that platform, content in the knowledge they've paid something towards content creation in general. Most of the tech savvy people I know run Plex servers, often combined with Sonarr/Couchpotato etc, and their wider circle of less tech savvy friends and family get their additional content that way.

Piracy is never going to be completely eliminated, but I think the best way to reduce it as much as practical is a move to something more akin to Spotify.. The platforms need to just offer all the things, and pay the content creators out based on "usage".

In completely unrelated news, a decommissioned storage server with 64tb of raw storage recently appeared in my home rack.... Just sayin :-P

That is a lot of storage just for the family snap shots and holidays 3 minutes videos

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#2097286 27-Sep-2018 10:30

MikeB4:

Lias:

tdgeek:

It is a pricing problem. No one bothers to download TV and movies as we have cheap as chips services now. Sport is all about price. Thats not Sky's fault, it costs. If Sky dont have it, subscribe to those that do.

I partially agree it's a pricing problem, but I disagree that no-one bothers to download TV and movies. Virtually everyone I know is happy to have a Netflix, Lightbox or sometimes Sky account, and watches a bunch of stuff on that platform. But they will also download or stream anything that's not available on that platform, content in the knowledge they've paid something towards content creation in general. Most of the tech savvy people I know run Plex servers, often combined with Sonarr/Couchpotato etc, and their wider circle of less tech savvy friends and family get their additional content that way.

Piracy is never going to be completely eliminated, but I think the best way to reduce it as much as practical is a move to something more akin to Spotify.. The platforms need to just offer all the things, and pay the content creators out based on "usage".

In completely unrelated news, a decommissioned storage server with 64tb of raw storage recently appeared in my home rack.... Just sayin :-P

That is a lot of storage just for the family snap shots and holidays 3 minutes videos

Its the cats ones that need that storage!

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#2097290 27-Sep-2018 10:32

Lias:

tdgeek:

It is a pricing problem. No one bothers to download TV and movies as we have cheap as chips services now. Sport is all about price. Thats not Sky's fault, it costs. If Sky dont have it, subscribe to those that do.

I partially agree it's a pricing problem, but I disagree that no-one bothers to download TV and movies. Virtually everyone I know is happy to have a Netflix, Lightbox or sometimes Sky account, and watches a bunch of stuff on that platform. But they will also download or stream anything that's not available on that platform, content in the knowledge they've paid something towards content creation in general. Most of the tech savvy people I know run Plex servers, often combined with Sonarr/Couchpotato etc, and their wider circle of less tech savvy friends and family get their additional content that way.

Piracy is never going to be completely eliminated, but I think the best way to reduce it as much as practical is a move to something more akin to Spotify.. The platforms need to just offer all the things, and pay the content creators out based on "usage".

In completely unrelated news, a decommissioned storage server with 64tb of raw storage recently appeared in my home rack.... Just sayin :-P

I meant not many as in the old days, I should have been clearer

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