Football World Cup ONE HD v Sky HD.

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#341458 14-Jun-2010 11:50

Spyware: Why would HD feed come from SBS Australia - I'm gobsmacked if it does???, most likely feed comes directly from SA at 45 Mbps 1080i over fibre. The broadcaster then does what they wish. TVNZ broadcast 720p at 8 Mbps on DVB-T H.264 which is low bitrate obviously. I doubt if the DVB-S2 H.264 TV1 transmission is any different though.

Yes it;s strange but check out these sources:

http://www.skytv.co.nz/Default.aspx?tabid=202&art_id=15531

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/tv/01/04/69/56/fifa_world_cup_2010_media_rights_licensee_list_public_release_20100222.pdf

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#341462 14-Jun-2010 11:56

bigbadkiwi:
Spyware: Why would HD feed come from SBS Australia - I'm gobsmacked if it does???, most likely feed comes directly from SA at 45 Mbps 1080i over fibre. The broadcaster then does what they wish. TVNZ broadcast 720p at 8 Mbps on DVB-T H.264 which is low bitrate obviously. I doubt if the DVB-S2 H.264 TV1 transmission is any different though.

Yes it;s strange but check out these sources:

http://www.skytv.co.nz/Default.aspx?tabid=202&art_id=15531

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/tv/01/04/69/56/fifa_world_cup_2010_media_rights_licensee_list_public_release_20100222.pdf

sam

This is just an indication of who owns the rights for the region. It is nothing at all to do with where the TV feed comes from.

NindianZ

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#341548 14-Jun-2010 15:06

Changing tack slightly, I'm pretty disappointed with Sky's presentation of the World Cup. No extra channels with highlights or repeats, no expert panel, no build up. It's not a special event in their eyes. Yet they have 6 freakin channels for the Winter Olympics, and for the Commonwealth Games.

It's the most popular TV event in the world!!!

And for the first time ever, and I'm still shocked about this, TVNZ's coverage is way better. Better highlights package and build up.

JonnyCam

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#342965 18-Jun-2010 12:04

I think the coverage has been good.
The build up for sky has been OK - but because they have all the games live, there is not that much of a window I guess.

The witer olympics has many events going on at the same time, where the world cup is organised for the TV watching population of the world, and only 1 game at a time.

There is a SD & an HD repeat of most games, and I haven't checked, but is there anything showing on SS highlights? (ie when I see football highlights in the guide)

Although, I did expect a 24 hour WC channel to be added.

Kopkiwi

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#343941 21-Jun-2010 21:02

I have come to the conclusion that I reckon I am not getting an HD feed from Sky. TV One, 2 and 3 all look stellar with HD programs, where as Sky Sport HD is nothing short of utter rubbish.

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#343945 21-Jun-2010 21:12

Kopkiwi: I have come to the conclusion that I reckon I am not getting an HD feed from Sky. TV One, 2 and 3 all look stellar with HD programs, where as Sky Sport HD is nothing short of utter rubbish.

why dont you give them a call? if you dont complain they cant help you. i dont have sky so i cannot join in this debate on the basis of your observation

CutCutCut

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#343955 21-Jun-2010 21:31

It'd be interesting to see a TV One HD (DVB-T) vs Sky HD vs TV One HD (via Sky)? I imagine that the DVB-T feed would have a higher bitrate than the other two.
Would Sky control how good TV One HD looks coming in via their satellite? I think they would :-)

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#343966 21-Jun-2010 22:06

Problem is, how do I confirm that I have been getting a none HD signal?

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#343981 21-Jun-2010 22:42

CutCutCut: It'd be interesting to see a TV One HD (DVB-T) vs Sky HD vs TV One HD (via Sky)? I imagine that the DVB-T feed would have a higher bitrate than the other two.
Would Sky control how good TV One HD looks coming in via their satellite? I think they would :-)

I think your wrong... Badly wrong,..

Last time I checked this (to put another conspiracy theory in its place), the following situation existed:

DVB-T vs Sky Rebroadcast of TVNZ

Identical Resolution, as near to identical bitrates as you could see, without putting the signal through some sort of time base correcter, to compare exactly. ie there was no perceivable difference, and no difference in the actual signal. It looked every bit like a straight signal pass thru...

DVB-T (TVNZ or TV3) vs Sky HD.

Sky run the same resolution as TV3 (1920x1080i), but usually at higher bitrates. With domestic sport, this commonly averages 18-21Mbit. This is well over the average you see on TV3. Generally on like for like equipment ie same TV, same cable, same graphics card, Sky looks the best of any NZ domestic broadcast.

But dont let the facts get in the way of another pointless bash on Sky will you...

bigbadkiwi

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#343983 21-Jun-2010 22:46

Kopkiwi: Problem is, how do I confirm that I have been getting a none HD signal?

One way is that when you are watching the HD feed on TV one (freeview HD or through mysky hdi), you should see at the top right hand corner next to the 'ONE' logo there is the letters 'HD' to the right.
On a side note TV ONE seems to switch to an HD broadcast after the pre-game show (normally during the anthems).

With sky sport, the title on the information bar should have HD at the end of Sky Sport 1 (or 2), which i'm guessing you already know.

Sam

CutCutCut

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#344018 22-Jun-2010 06:46

RustyGonad:
CutCutCut: It'd be interesting to see a TV One HD (DVB-T) vs Sky HD vs TV One HD (via Sky)? I imagine that the DVB-T feed would have a higher bitrate than the other two.
Would Sky control how good TV One HD looks coming in via their satellite? I think they would :-)

I think your wrong... Badly wrong,..

Last time I checked this (to put another conspiracy theory in its place), the following situation existed:

DVB-T vs Sky Rebroadcast of TVNZ

Identical Resolution, as near to identical bitrates as you could see, without putting the signal through some sort of time base correcter, to compare exactly. ie there was no perceivable difference, and no difference in the actual signal. It looked every bit like a straight signal pass thru...

DVB-T (TVNZ or TV3) vs Sky HD.

Sky run the same resolution as TV3 (1920x1080i), but usually at higher bitrates. With domestic sport, this commonly averages 18-21Mbit. This is well over the average you see on TV3. Generally on like for like equipment ie same TV, same cable, same graphics card, Sky looks the best of any NZ domestic broadcast.

But dont let the facts get in the way of another pointless bash on Sky will you...

I could well be wrong, that's why I was asking the question. But there seems to be some comment contradictory to yours, in that there are people noticing definite differences between the feeds, some people saying SKY looks better, some people saying TV One looks better. You're obviously on the SKY side of the fence, but there are others on the other side. It's an interesting discussion for sure with many factors.

RustyGonad

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#344030 22-Jun-2010 08:25

CutCutCut:
RustyGonad:
CutCutCut: It'd be interesting to see a TV One HD (DVB-T) vs Sky HD vs TV One HD (via Sky)? I imagine that the DVB-T feed would have a higher bitrate than the other two.
Would Sky control how good TV One HD looks coming in via their satellite? I think they would :-)

I think your wrong... Badly wrong,..

Last time I checked this (to put another conspiracy theory in its place), the following situation existed:

DVB-T vs Sky Rebroadcast of TVNZ

Identical Resolution, as near to identical bitrates as you could see, without putting the signal through some sort of time base correcter, to compare exactly. ie there was no perceivable difference, and no difference in the actual signal. It looked every bit like a straight signal pass thru...

DVB-T (TVNZ or TV3) vs Sky HD.

Sky run the same resolution as TV3 (1920x1080i), but usually at higher bitrates. With domestic sport, this commonly averages 18-21Mbit. This is well over the average you see on TV3. Generally on like for like equipment ie same TV, same cable, same graphics card, Sky looks the best of any NZ domestic broadcast.

But dont let the facts get in the way of another pointless bash on Sky will you...

I could well be wrong, that's why I was asking the question. But there seems to be some comment contradictory to yours, in that there are people noticing definite differences between the feeds, some people saying SKY looks better, some people saying TV One looks better. You're obviously on the SKY side of the fence, but there are others on the other side. It's an interesting discussion for sure with many factors.

No side of the fence for me - its just that unlike many others on here I can actually look at both signals, side by side on the same HTPC, using the same HDMI cable to the same TV. Most people making an argument againsts Sky don't get around to doing this.

This means I get to see through clear glasses, rather than the rose coloured ones some of you guys use...

Believe me I hate giving Sky money more than most, but I also tend to argue based on facts rather than be blinded by BS...

CutCutCut

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#344037 22-Jun-2010 08:49

RustyGonad:
CutCutCut:
RustyGonad:
CutCutCut: It'd be interesting to see a TV One HD (DVB-T) vs Sky HD vs TV One HD (via Sky)? I imagine that the DVB-T feed would have a higher bitrate than the other two.
Would Sky control how good TV One HD looks coming in via their satellite? I think they would :-)

I think your wrong... Badly wrong,..

Last time I checked this (to put another conspiracy theory in its place), the following situation existed:

DVB-T vs Sky Rebroadcast of TVNZ

Identical Resolution, as near to identical bitrates as you could see, without putting the signal through some sort of time base correcter, to compare exactly. ie there was no perceivable difference, and no difference in the actual signal. It looked every bit like a straight signal pass thru...

DVB-T (TVNZ or TV3) vs Sky HD.

Sky run the same resolution as TV3 (1920x1080i), but usually at higher bitrates. With domestic sport, this commonly averages 18-21Mbit. This is well over the average you see on TV3. Generally on like for like equipment ie same TV, same cable, same graphics card, Sky looks the best of any NZ domestic broadcast.

But dont let the facts get in the way of another pointless bash on Sky will you...

I could well be wrong, that's why I was asking the question. But there seems to be some comment contradictory to yours, in that there are people noticing definite differences between the feeds, some people saying SKY looks better, some people saying TV One looks better. You're obviously on the SKY side of the fence, but there are others on the other side. It's an interesting discussion for sure with many factors.

No side of the fence for me - its just that unlike many others on here I can actually look at both signals, side by side on the same HTPC, using the same HDMI cable to the same TV. Most people making an argument againsts Sky don't get around to doing this.

This means I get to see through clear glasses, rather than the rose coloured ones some of you guys use...

Believe me I hate giving Sky money more than most, but I also tend to argue based on facts rather than be blinded by BS...

So you're able to see the SKY HD and the TV One feed (via SKY) at the same time? Yes you have a really good ability to compare the two side by side then. And there was no perceptible difference between the two?
I always understood that terrestrial HD signals generally had a higher bitrate than satellite signals as their was more bandwidth available, but with what you're saying then it sounds like SKY is still able to send out a healthy HD feed, at least if not better than the terrestrial ones. Could SKY be using a better compression technology maybe?

RustyGonad

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#344047 22-Jun-2010 09:31

Firstly I can't state what Sky are actually doing, only what I can see.

However it looks like the TV ONE HD, and TV2 HD off the Satellite, are direct rebroadcasts straight from TVNZ. They are the same 1280x720p resolution, use h.264, and side by side (time differences between signals aside), are very similar bitrates. I'd need better equipment to see a difference.

TV3 is much the same. Same h.264 container, very similar bitrates.

Fact is, Sky do direct rebroadcasts of much of their content. I'd make a fair assessment that they're doing this with both TVNZ and TV3.

Sky Sport bitrate on domestic content well exceeds anything coming out of either TVNZ or TV3 at the moment - by a country mile...

BTW - they are using exactly the same compression as TVNZ and TV3 - h.264. Sky and TV3 use the same resolution, TVNZ use 720p.

I think when it comes to this stuff people tend to see what they want to see, rather than whats actually there...

edaw

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#344294 22-Jun-2010 20:44

I'm with Rusty on this, but I have a slight bias, I put the stuff to air.

TVNZ 720P is crap for the football, although I do like how their audio mix is a lot lower and less bee hive buzz.

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