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#2135402 27-Nov-2018 17:12

eracode: Quote @MikeB4 “Sky maybe interested in acquiring an ISP but I am not sure who. I don't think the Commerce Commission would look favourably on say a Sky/ Vocus Group or Sky/2Degrees. It doesn't leave many more options.”

One of the big opening headings in Sky’s March presentation was “Sky does not need to be a telco to succeed”.

I guess that also means not an ISP - so looks like they’re not planning it.

Being a telco is hard enough. Can't see it. Under new management, I could see a Sky/Spark cooperative continuing. They will both have overlap customers. Many of these will probably choose just the one, and forego content. So, make it easier to have both. Fanpass is an example.

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#2135403 27-Nov-2018 17:12

Option 2 could interest me if Soho was included as well.

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#2135407 27-Nov-2018 17:22

quickymart: Option 2 could interest me if Soho was included as well.

I get Soho for free, they included it as a freebie.

"If you subscribe to SKY Starter, SKY Entertainment and SKY Sport and/or SKY Movies you’ll get SoHo and SoHo2 on us at no extra cost."

Just an FYI

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#2135413 27-Nov-2018 17:40

tdgeek:

MikeB4:

The next few months could be quite interesting.

Very.

Here is a question.

SKY OLD

$100 per month for sport, Starter, Basic, MySky, HD, SkyGo, OnDemand.

SKY NEW (Estimated)

A free puck or just an app. Starter, Basic, Sport, HD, SkyGo, OnDemand. But you can say have up to 5 devices, 3 at once. $100 less MySky for me = a $20 saving.

Will the extra benefit of every channel being OD, not just the 26 on OD, and extra devices at once, plus a $20 rental saving be seen as good? Im sure many will read the new Sky services and also be assuming a BIG price drop, (which I can't see happening) The masses will hear of Skys changes and the first thing they will think of is less cost and more content, whereas its really a technology update, which my estimated extra couple of benefits. Maybe they may add extra free channels such as SoHo, Rugger, Rialto.

The kicker here is its not just the need to update, Spark for those that watch sport is another problem. Right now that is just F1, F2, GP3, Porsche Cup, plus I think soccer and hockey, so its not a biggie yet, apart from us F1 fans.

You'll be extremely unhappy to know that the new CEO's former employer has just two content options:

- el Farq (71 channels) for SAR150/mth.

- Platinum (95 channels plus unlimited PPV) for SAR538/mth

Nice and simple. Even more simple than we already have.

It also does a Foxtel Now equivalent called WAVO for USD10/mth.

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#2135414 27-Nov-2018 18:00

So some OSN history for those holding out a shred of hope for change (and it could come, I guess).

OSN had 7 packages on offer in 2016. Basic at SAR79 month, an entertainment tier, a sports tier, an AbuDhabi sports tier, 2 movie tiers or everything in a "complete" package for SAR329/mth.

It had fierce competition from BeIN. And despite acquiring other pay providers in the area saw churn double to 30% in 2015 and 2016. Got smashed by BeIN. Its OSNGo offering barely made any dent in the market. Sound familiar?

Solution. Slash the complete package from SAR329 to SAR150/mth in early 2017. Wonder if it made any difference other than destroying profitability? Certainly doesnt look like any real innovation has occurred. Which is what y'all hope for. At least the new CEO wont get blamed for anything. If Sky does badly it'll be Fellets fault. If there is no innovation, its cos Fellet is on the board. Sounds like the new CEO will get all the credit for any upside but no blame for any downside. I'd take that job, wouldnt you?

BTW, OSN's CEO has been replaced by a board member....... ironic, huh?

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#2135439 27-Nov-2018 18:21

ockel:

So some OSN history for those holding out a shred of hope for change (and it could come, I guess).

OSN had 7 packages on offer in 2016. Basic at SAR79 month, an entertainment tier, a sports tier, an AbuDhabi sports tier, 2 movie tiers or everything in a "complete" package for SAR329/mth.

It had fierce competition from BeIN. And despite acquiring other pay providers in the area saw churn double to 30% in 2015 and 2016. Got smashed by BeIN. Its OSNGo offering barely made any dent in the market. Sound familiar?

Solution. Slash the complete package from SAR329 to SAR150/mth in early 2017. Wonder if it made any difference other than destroying profitability? Certainly doesnt look like any real innovation has occurred. Which is what y'all hope for. At least the new CEO wont get blamed for anything. If Sky does badly it'll be Fellets fault. If there is no innovation, its cos Fellet is on the board. Sounds like the new CEO will get all the credit for any upside but no blame for any downside. I'd take that job, wouldnt you?

BTW, OSN's CEO has been replaced by a board member....... ironic, huh?

Your SAR329 is NZD129, for everything. Sky's ARPU is about 80, so we need to try and hold the ARPU

I'd drop Starter and Entertainment to 15 or 25 for both. That gets new customers who cannot justify the 50 it is now. It drops the ARPU but its new revenue, so a lower ARPU for more subscribers works.

I'd drop Starter, Entertainent and Sport by $10, and include Rialto and Soho free. Holds the ARPU, will get some new subscribers and upgraders.

I'd do an everything plan for say $110. Should get upgraders, I doubt there are many with everything, so might work.

Those that get the app only or the puck save the MySky as well. MySky while an easy revenue stream probably has a lot of waste cost as well.

Id also be incentivising people to get off MySky so they can dump most of it to reduce the admin costs with it. Sky with just a puck or an app is a far cheaper Sky to run

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#2135443 27-Nov-2018 18:59

tdgeek:

Your SAR329 is NZD129, for everything. Sky's ARPU is about 80, so we need to try and hold the ARPU

I'd drop Starter and Entertainment to 15 or 25 for both. That gets new customers who cannot justify the 50 it is now. It drops the ARPU but its new revenue, so a lower ARPU for more subscribers works.

I'd drop Starter, Entertainent and Sport by $10, and include Rialto and Soho free. Holds the ARPU, will get some new subscribers and upgraders.

I'd do an everything plan for say $110. Should get upgraders, I doubt there are many with everything, so might work.

Those that get the app only or the puck save the MySky as well. MySky while an easy revenue stream probably has a lot of waste cost as well.

Id also be incentivising people to get off MySky so they can dump most of it to reduce the admin costs with it. Sky with just a puck or an app is a far cheaper Sky to run

I think when churn goes to 30% for a couple of years then you'll probably get your wish.

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#2135445 27-Nov-2018 19:10

A lot of the discussion is focused solely on Sky's delivery method and pricing. Sky's problems are wider than these.

Content is key and providers like Netflix have introduced consumers to quality programming: modern fresh intelligent content, simple interfaces, all HD, served up without an endless barrage of loud self-promoting adverts every few minutes. That Sky hasn't, to date, bothered to do anything at all to lift the quality of what they put in front of consumers speaks volumes as to their true commitment to the customer IMHO.

Sky's longevity hinges on one thing only: their ongoing ability to secure exclusive NZ rugby rights. Lose this (and we are already seeing cracks) and the resultant subscriber drain will be fatal, irrespective of who the CE is, or what apps or pricing packages they provide.

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#2135447 27-Nov-2018 19:19

dafman:

A lot of the discussion is focused solely on Sky's delivery method and pricing. Sky's problems are wider than these.

Content is key and providers like Netflix have introduced consumers to quality programming: modern fresh intelligent content, simple interfaces, all HD, served up without an endless barrage of loud self-promoting adverts every few minutes. That Sky hasn't, to date, bothered to do anything at all to lift the quality of what they put in front of consumers speaks volumes as to their true commitment to the customer IMHO.

Sky's longevity hinges on one thing only: their ongoing ability to secure exclusive NZ rugby rights. Lose this (and we are already seeing cracks) and the resultant subscriber drain will be fatal, irrespective of who the CE is, or what apps or pricing packages they provide.

Not to say that Mr Pullar-Strecker has more experience than you or is smarter than you but:

"One glimmer of light for Sky is that it has perhaps been quite clever in some of its recent sports rights purchases.

Spark may have secured rights to the English Premier League from next season, but Sky has won the rights to the arguably more promising UEFA Champions League for the next three years.

Spark will soon have Formula One, but with interest in Formula E growing, the future may be looking electric.

It would be ironic if Spark forked out for Super Rugby just as enthusiasm for that code died out."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108868861/sky-tv-finally-signals-it-needs-to-change-but-is-it-too-late

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#2135461 27-Nov-2018 19:55

ockel:

Not to say that Mr Pullar-Strecker has more experience than you or is smarter than you but:

"One glimmer of light for Sky is that it has perhaps been quite clever in some of its recent sports rights purchases.

Spark may have secured rights to the English Premier League from next season, but Sky has won the rights to the arguably more promising UEFA Champions League for the next three years.

Spark will soon have Formula One, but with interest in Formula E growing, the future may be looking electric.

It would be ironic if Spark forked out for Super Rugby just as enthusiasm for that code died out."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/108868861/sky-tv-finally-signals-it-needs-to-change-but-is-it-too-late

Although I am not currently subscribed to Sky I really hope that Sky does change and does succeed. It is vital that NZ has a strong NZ player and our TV is not dominated by offshore providers that do not have any real commitment to our market.

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#2135588 28-Nov-2018 07:31

dafman:

A lot of the discussion is focused solely on Sky's delivery method and pricing. Sky's problems are wider than these.

Content is key and providers like Netflix have introduced consumers to quality programming: modern fresh intelligent content, simple interfaces, all HD, served up without an endless barrage of loud self-promoting adverts every few minutes. That Sky hasn't, to date, bothered to do anything at all to lift the quality of what they put in front of consumers speaks volumes as to their true commitment to the customer IMHO.

Sky's longevity hinges on one thing only: their ongoing ability to secure exclusive NZ rugby rights. Lose this (and we are already seeing cracks) and the resultant subscriber drain will be fatal, irrespective of who the CE is, or what apps or pricing packages they provide.

How representative your comment is applies to each user individually.

NF has more titles than Sky, most are rubbish (to me) Most of Sky's content is rubbish (to me) Same with any provider you can name. Fact is, we dont tune into a channel to watch every title they have. Modern fresh intelligent content? You forgot old and lots of fillers to boost the impressive content volume. Sky tends to have little filler content

I find the grid layout to be old and cumbersome, Ive read that here also. I want a doco, I go to the Doco section, easy. Then I have to scroll and scroll and scroll. Id rather have Doco subsections. Its like comparing a tallboy of drawers with a big box you have to wade through. Simple interface? Nope.Sky's is simple, easy to navigate, covers all manner of genres. If the two Basic options were much cheaper as in 25 for both its viable for general viewing

Rugby wise I agree. Its not the only key sport, but its important.

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#2135599 28-Nov-2018 08:01

@tdgeek lately we have found ourselves going into and out of Netflix and finding nothing of interest to watch. Their NZ library did a big boost early in the year but seems to have deteriorated of late. It has reached to point where we are considering closing our subscription. We have the premium for 4K content but that is very light and not really worth the extra cost.

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#2135601 28-Nov-2018 08:10

I barely use my Netflix account. Occasionally to watch a particular movie or very occasionally to watch TV series, but my kids watch it.

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#2135602 28-Nov-2018 08:13

MikeB4:

@tdgeek lately we have found ourselves going into and out of Netflix and finding nothing of interest to watch. Their NZ library did a big boost early in the year but seems to have deteriorated of late. It has reached to point where we are considering closing our subscription. We have the premium for 4K content but that is very light and not really worth the extra cost.

Yes, I tend now not to go to NF looking, as its a minefield of random titles, high on volume low on quality. Often I read, hear of a good title (currently watching WWII in Colour) Sky has less (I am into Doco's) but at least theirs are over a few channels that have their own genre within the genre, and alack of silly, low budget fillers. So I can see whats there, series link it, done.

Not to blame Netflix, their model is high volume, that's fine, but I'd rather have a few smaller, better toyboxes than one huge toybox full of good and bad toys that I don't really want to have to wade through on a regular basis!

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#2135605 28-Nov-2018 08:18

My kids watch Netflix at lot as well.

Thing is, at $15 a month I will just pay it to keep the kids happy regardless of whether there happens to be any new for me to watch at any given time.

A Sky subscription?....Not so much

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