SKY disclosure regarding status of Rugby World Cup 2019 bid

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#1985106 28-Mar-2018 19:36

mattwnz:

Let us not forget Tivo, which I believe both TVNZ and Spark were involved with to some extent. Let us hope it is more successful than that.

I cant blame them though. Great device and threads exist to extend it. HybridTV shut it down. I feel todays announcements do add more control, or at least that sport is not likely to be shut down after 10 years. Sport will go on. No matter who it is with.

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#1985112 28-Mar-2018 19:55

Interesting read, re Sky, Rugby, FTA and some BIG numbers

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/102658322/should-all-black-tests-be-live-and-freetoair-in-new-zealand

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#1985120 28-Mar-2018 20:22

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No. The real losers here are the Sky subscribers. For non-Sky subscribers like me, it's an absolute win.

In what way? Sky had exclusive rights for the last RWC (2015) only. However all the AB games pool games were on a slight delay and the QF onwards were screened live on Prime. If the rumours of a Spark / TVNZ turn out that Lightbox will have the exclusive live rights that means everyone who wants to watch the ABs live will have to pay a fee (and you can bet it is going to be more the then $12.90 per month that Lightbox currently charge)

Correction: Only two quarter finals and one semi final were live in 2015.

In 2019, as a non-Sky subscriber, I will have access to ALL games live. And I'm more than happy to pay a one-off cost to view the tournament, rather than be forced into a lengthy term contract with Sky for all sport, when all I want to do is just watch the RWC.

Correction: Two quarter finals, 1 semi final, the bronze final and the final were all screened live. "Nearly half a million (494,900) people watched the match live on Sky while 670,900 viewers in the AP 5+ category watched the match live on free to air channel Prime, according to ratings provided by Nielsen."

So more than 3 million NZers didnt watch the final match live (against our biggest foes and arguably the biggest viewing drawcard) - despite it being free to air. And of the 850,000 Sky subscribers at the time more than 600,000 didnt watch the final match live. Yet you purport that Sky is only about the rugby. Tsk Tsk.

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#1985123 28-Mar-2018 20:36

I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

Is Sparks lightbox it's OWN platform or a licensed technology platform from someone like Akamai? Does Spark have the capacity to serve say 1-200,000 HD Streams? It sounds like a nightmare in the making. I watched every game in HD last WC and it didn't skip, buffer or have a single problem on my MySky. That's kind of it's big selling point, it's seamless and reliable.

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#1985151 28-Mar-2018 21:17

networkn:

I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

WIld guess is that each party enters their bid as part of a tender process. Highest bid wins, and then work out the finer details of the contract.

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Is Sparks lightbox it's OWN platform or a licensed technology platform from someone like Akamai? Does Spark have the capacity to serve say 1-200,000 HD Streams?

I'm not sure if Spark have the capacity, but Chorus definitely do. From a recent report: "973Gbps average network throughput at 9pm in March 2017, up 49% from March 2016". So doing the maths, at 3 Mb/s per stream that would equate to 324,000 streams. Of course that is overly simplistic, and assumes that everyone is watching the RWC and doing nothing else online, and doesn't count customers using non-Chorus UFB connections.

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#1985217 29-Mar-2018 06:55

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I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

Is Sparks lightbox it's OWN platform or a licensed technology platform from someone like Akamai? Does Spark have the capacity to serve say 1-200,000 HD Streams? It sounds like a nightmare in the making. I watched every game in HD last WC and it didn't skip, buffer or have a single problem on my MySky. That's kind of it's big selling point, it's seamless and reliable.

JF said that he is the one who does the rights deals, thats his favourite role. And that the preferred bidder always gets the rights, so he does not expect Sky to win this one. As you say, it does imply more than money. Reliability, added value from the truck roll broadcasting commentary teams and add on programs I would suspect. While TVNZ and Spark may do a bang up job, its a new one. But TVNZ does has the broadcasting nous, that's no issue. Spark's benefits may have been money and the VOD side, particularly if Rugby wants to make SVOD centre stage going forward. Maybe that Sky has been losing subscibers is a small or big part as well.

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#1985221 29-Mar-2018 07:22

networkn:

I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

Is Sparks lightbox it's OWN platform or a licensed technology platform from someone like Akamai? Does Spark have the capacity to serve say 1-200,000 HD Streams? It sounds like a nightmare in the making. I watched every game in HD last WC and it didn't skip, buffer or have a single problem on my MySky. That's kind of it's big selling point, it's seamless and reliable.

Chris Keall stated that in April Lightbox is moving to a new platform to cater for new ventures, sports and PPV. Given that TVNZ/Spark seem to be the preferred provider, the ability to stream well would seem to have satisfied IMG.

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#1985226 29-Mar-2018 07:46

networkn:

I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

The information that Sky is not preferred bidder is price sensitive information in relation to Sky's shares. Once the RWC started negotiations with Spark/TVNZ, the parties involved would be party to price sensitive information about Sky, and these people could potentially trade Sky shares using knowledge that is not available to other Sky shareholders (aka, insider trading). Therefore, RWC had an obligation to advise Sky, and Sky to advise the NZX accordingly.

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#1985227 29-Mar-2018 07:54

dafman:

networkn:

I am wondering how the process works for awarding rights to bidders? Does anyone know? It's kinda weird in my view to let someone know they aren't the preferred bidder. I wonder why it would be worded like that. Preferred indicates in my view, something other than money perhaps?

The information that Sky is not preferred bidder is price sensitive information in relation to Sky's shares. Once the RWC started negotiations with Spark/TVNZ, the parties involved would be party to price sensitive information about Sky, and these people could potentially trade Sky shares using knowledge that is not available to other Sky shareholders (aka, insider trading). Therefore, RWC had an obligation to advise Sky, and Sky to advise the NZX accordingly.

Any reason that any company may suffer an extraordinary situation that will affect share price will require NZX notification. While insider trading is a factor, its small, the main factor is the traders of the shares will be trading without knowledge of a situation that will affect their desire to trade and the price they will buy/sell at.

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#1985282 29-Mar-2018 10:06

JPNZ:

TVNZ/Spark are lead bidders which means it will be free to air, does that hurt Sky? Not really but it could have been much worse if a pay provider had picked them up.

I might be reading the tea leaves on this but .... why would TVNZ and spark team up for a FTA TV broadcast.

They may be heading down a different path - like TV over fibre.

To quote the article on Chorus's fibre broadcast trial:

"Local broadcasters would not need to partner with an internet service provider (ISP) or to develop an application that ran over the public internet"

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#1985289 29-Mar-2018 10:18

MikeAqua:

JPNZ:

TVNZ/Spark are lead bidders which means it will be free to air, does that hurt Sky? Not really but it could have been much worse if a pay provider had picked them up.

I might be reading the tea leaves on this but .... why would TVNZ and spark team up for a FTA TV broadcast.

They may be heading down a different path - like TV over fibre.

To quote the article on Chorus's fibre broadcast trial:

"Local broadcasters would not need to partner with an internet service provider (ISP) or to develop an application that ran over the public internet"

My opinion is TVNZ gets the FTA part, thats great, more ratings. Spark gets the Lightbox subs for the non FTA and they both might charge a RWC fee that they share maybe

Plus the expensive ad revenue. Fellett said end of year AB tour is up in the air. It might be, and pure speculation, that TVNZ/Spark may want their partnership to be all rugby. I.e. they hold all the rights to NZ Rugby and AB's. Maybe PPV or some PPV

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#1985335 29-Mar-2018 11:11

@tdgeek can you please consolidate your quotes into a single reply instead of one post per quote?

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#1985399 29-Mar-2018 13:36

gehenna:

please consolidate your quotes into a single reply instead of one post per quote?

How does one do that?

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#1985401 29-Mar-2018 13:41

MikeAqua:

gehenna:

please consolidate your quotes into a single reply instead of one post per quote?

How does one do that?

By creating a single reply post with all the quotes one after the other? It's not against the FUG but it's annoying to see reply after reply just quotes. Some people manage to do this well...

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#1985404 29-Mar-2018 13:49

tdgeek:

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Let us not forget Tivo, which I believe both TVNZ and Spark were involved with to some extent. Let us hope it is more successful than that.

I cant blame them though. Great device and threads exist to extend it. HybridTV shut it down. I feel todays announcements do add more control, or at least that sport is not likely to be shut down after 10 years. Sport will go on. No matter who it is with.

The problem was actually getting it out there and marketing, and perhaps it being marketed with TVs in NZ retailers. So with this new plan, it will also be about marketing, and breaking down the barrier to make the streaming service accessible to everyone.

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