TVs with built-in skytv?

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#63992 5-Jul-2010 20:17

There are so many lcd and plasma tv's that have a freeview set top box built into them now, so where are all the tv's with skytv set top boxes built into them?
Would it be possible to have a lcd or plasma tv that has a free to air decoder, freeview decoder, and skytv decoder built in while still keeping the tv the same size? Is there an all in one decoder that combines all of these into one set top box?
The following tv says it has freeview HD built in but does it have a normal free to air decoder too?:

http://www.noelleeming.co.nz/tvs-dvds/televisions/plasma-televisions/panasonic-th-p42x20z-42-plasma-tv/prod103395.html

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#348186 5-Jul-2010 20:42

there are no tvs out with Sky-Tv built in. It just will never happen.
FreeView require a decoder to work, which that tv has built in. Free-to-air doesnt require a decoder, just a normal TV tuner which this tv also has.

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#348188 5-Jul-2010 20:46

I doubt you will ever see it - FreeView is open/free (=cheap decoders), whereas SkyTV is proprietary/closed.

The other reason you wouldn't see it as it would add significant cost to a TV and that is likely to put people off buying that particular model - hence no manufacture would do it.

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#348192 5-Jul-2010 20:58

markh14:The following tv says it has freeview HD built in but does it have a normal free to air decoder too?:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

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#348217 5-Jul-2010 22:26

sbiddle:
markh14:The following tv says it has freeview HD built in but does it have a normal free to air decoder too?:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

freeview had no users a few years ago so howcome manufacturers integrated it? doesn't skytv have 40 something percent market share?

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#348231 5-Jul-2010 23:00

Difference being is that the government is switching off the analogue service and actually has to provide a basic television service and that's where freeview comes in.

Sky is not likely to want to spend millions to have a international tv supplier to integrate a decoder into a tv that they could not gaurantee the user will pay for their service. Plus i doubt they ever make the money back from having a tv supplier create such tv's for such a small market. That's why set top boxes exist. It gaurantees the person who pays for it will be using it.

I do see the point your making in regards to the fact that Sky has such a huge market share. To me that just makes me wonder why the govt is not regulating it in any way they basically are a monopoly service provider and have the cash to pretty much do as they please when it comes to sports and other major events.

I would rather see regulation that restricts them in a way where there is a possibility for some of us who can't afford sky plus premium channels just to watch the occassional event.

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#348232 5-Jul-2010 23:02

markh14:
sbiddle:
markh14:The following tv says it has freeview HD built in but does it have a normal free to air decoder too?:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

freeview had no users a few years ago so howcome manufacturers integrated it? doesn't skytv have 40 something percent market share?

Yeah but Freeview is a standard adopted to replace Analogue TV(Which the TV above does have built in), why force people into paying an extra 50-100 for a built in Sky decoder, then extra(49-100+ a month) to watch the same programs which repeat every 6 hours? It just doesn't make sense from a Manufacturers point of view, why would manufacturers want to boost Skys profit at a cost to their own?

Plus when any of the card decoders become obselete, it's basically like saying the TV is obselete. FreeviewHD has one standard which all must follow as well

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#348267 6-Jul-2010 06:54

markh14:
sbiddle:
markh14:The following tv says it has freeview HD built in but does it have a normal free to air decoder too?:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

freeview had no users a few years ago so howcome manufacturers integrated it? doesn't skytv have 40 something percent market share?

Yes. But that means nothing.

There are no major Pay TV providers anywhere in the world that have equipment built into TV's. Because of the use of encryption hardware needs to be available. At any stage Sky could suddenly decide to dump DNS and move to a newer encryption platform - because they own their boxes this is easy to do. If you own the TV would you be annoyed if it no longer worked?

There are TV's that feature DVB-S and have CAM slots that presumably could be made to work. They will however not give you custom features that may be available from boxes because they lack the custom software. They also can't record which is the feature most people are wanting these days with somewhere close to 30% of Sky homes having MySky.

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#349724 10-Jul-2010 10:40

NZCoderGuy: there are no tvs out with Sky-Tv built in. It just will never happen.
FreeView require a decoder to work, which that tv has built in. Free-to-air doesnt require a decoder, just a normal TV tuner which this tv also has.

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#349730 10-Jul-2010 11:39

sbiddle:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

And even if a cam model was available, Sky & NDS do not hand out CAMS to just anybody.

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#350345 12-Jul-2010 17:25

Foxtel uses NDS and Pace set top boxes. Their services are based on BSkyB, and owned by the same company (News Corp). Foxtel Digital was launched only 6 years ago. The AU population is only 4x that of NZ, and with 50% of NZ taken up Sky I think we are a significant (regarding digital satellite market). There is potential/hope that this Samsung TV might be allowed to take the NZ Sky access card. And I love Samsung, their products as well as their values.

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#350346 12-Jul-2010 17:25

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#351194 14-Jul-2010 01:49

ZollyMonsta:
sbiddle:

What do you mean by a "normal free to air decoder? Freeview is normal free to air TV.

TV's with built in Sky will never appear in the NZ market because it's just way too small. There TV's in Europe with built in DVB-S tuners that feature CAM modules.

And even if a cam model was available, Sky & NDS do not hand out CAMS to just anybody.

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