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#2924531 10-Jun-2022 00:57

nitro:
also, none of the big players in mobile phones are based in europe, and the european market is neither the largest nor the fastest growing.

They all want to sell into the EU. It’s a very high income market and they can demand much better prices than they can in faster growing markets.

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#2924659 10-Jun-2022 12:21

This won't stifle or limit innovation.
Many of you are confusing the USB 'specification' - which is a living/dynamic thing - with the 'physical standard' of the USB-C connector.

This standardisation is a great thing.
(there has been no down-side to losing the huge number of different DC-pin/phone connections we used to have before they standardised and mandated USB-Micro....

If Apple want to 'innovate' - they can quite happily apply to add an enhancement/addition to the Type-C standard.

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#2924819 10-Jun-2022 16:02

Handle9:

They all want to sell into the EU. It’s a very high income market and they can demand much better prices than they can in faster growing markets.

never said they don't want to sell to the EU. what i meant is that whatever limitations the EU imposes is not going to hold back innovation for the bigger slices of the pie.

plus, this isn't the first time the EU has done something like this.

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#2925120 11-Jun-2022 09:33

Seems reasonable to expect a USB-C port on an iPhone.

The only ports on my iPad Mini and M1 Macbook Pro are USB-C ports.
I can use the Macbook charger to charge the iPad Mini.

Would be good to see a little consistency here from Apple.

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#2925271 11-Jun-2022 15:35

Would be a good thing for me. My dream is to travel with one charger for all my stuff and the iPhone is the holdout here…

That said I think the Lightning connector is actually better than USB-C, but the commonality of USB-C means it still wins out IMO.

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#2925293 11-Jun-2022 17:16

nitro:

plus, this isn't the first time the EU has done something like this.

So what? EU regulations primarily affect the EU and its citizens, who have to decide on them. People like to sweep this under the carpet when they only have their own advantage in mind. The EU has to be responsible for everything and cannot please everyone, not even in the remote corners of the world. The British Empire left the EU and has every freedom to make everything better (which it doesn't really look like doing at the moment). So take it in your stride that we don't ask you first.

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#2925302 11-Jun-2022 17:44

RunningMan:

… it's the EU hanging on to it.

Nope, it‘s not. The EU is not a judicial institution for the world (even if it has been and continues to be presented as such by certain British politicians who want to conceal their own national failures). Nor is the EU the scapegoat for everything that goes wrong in the world. The EU is made up of people from different cultures who try to find a common denominator primarily for their own citizens. This may not please outsiders, but it is the decision-making authority (majority) of the EU and no one else. You would cough up if I tried to play along with your politics from here in NZ.

By the way, the EU also has engineers who are smart enough to recognise when an old standard has to make way for a newer standard - but it is just a bourgeois and not a company standard.

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#2925332 11-Jun-2022 18:12

Handle9:
nitro:

also, none of the big players in mobile phones are based in europe, and the european market is neither the largest nor the fastest growing.

They all want to sell into the EU. It’s a very high income market and they can demand much better prices than they can in faster growing markets.

That‘s it! The EU, with its so-called regulatory frenzy, is only protecting its own citizens from uncontrolled growth, and the easiest way to do that is through the market. If you don't play along, you can't sell here - rationally speaking, it forces the seller to sell what the customer also wants, and not what the seller thinks is best (for himself). The only ones who complain are those who can't just dump their junk on us.

Folks, the EU is certainly not perfect, but it is working to become better and better. That worries all those countries that don't (want to or can‘t) even try.

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#2925374 11-Jun-2022 19:46

Tinkerisk:

nitro:

plus, this isn't the first time the EU has done something like this.

So what? EU regulations primarily affect the EU and its citizens, who have to decide on them. People like to sweep this under the carpet when they only have their own advantage in mind. The EU has to be responsible for everything and cannot please everyone, not even in the remote corners of the world. The British Empire left the EU and has every freedom to make everything better (which it doesn't really look like doing at the moment). So take it in your stride that we don't ask you first.

;-)

what are you on about? perhaps you didn't read my previous posts?

my point was the EU mandating USB-C is not going to stifle innovation. and they they have done similar things in the past that never stifled innovation.

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#2925413 11-Jun-2022 21:16

nitro:

what are you on about?

Nothing personal. I just wanted to say that the EU is not an abstract set of regulations, but represents agreements and rules for currently 420 million people who don't want to have everything imposed on them by the tech corporations. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Co. have already felt this in some places.

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#2925459 12-Jun-2022 00:02

Tinkerisk:

nitro:

what are you on about?

Nothing personal. I just wanted to say that the EU is not an abstract set of regulations, but represents agreements and rules for currently 420 million people who don't want to have everything imposed on them by the tech corporations. Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook and Co. have already felt this in some places.

i never gave a fxxx about what the EU does. all i was talking about was technological innovation and how immaterial EU rulings are to that.

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#2925468 12-Jun-2022 06:44

nitro: i never gave a fxxx about what the EU does. all i was talking about was technological innovation and how immaterial EU rulings are to that.

All right, then. I was already afraid that you had become innovative yourself (apart from the choice of words). The market primarily determines the success or failure of an innovation, not the other way around.

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#2925535 12-Jun-2022 12:26

Tinkerisk:

All right, then. I was already afraid that you had become innovative yourself (apart from the choice of words). The market primarily determines the success or failure of an innovation, not the other way around.

lol... you're the one taking offense at a perceived attack on how the EU represents its 420 million people. we were just discussing about whether this particular decision will stifle innovation.

read the first post: "Standardisation makes things easier and probably cheaper for the consumer, but does it stifle innovation?"

anyway, moving on... enjoy the rest of your weekend. :)

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#2925832 12-Jun-2022 20:45

nitro:

Tinkerisk:

All right, then. I was already afraid that you had become innovative yourself (apart from the choice of words). The market primarily determines the success or failure of an innovation, not the other way around.

lol... you're the one taking offense at a perceived attack on how the EU represents its 420 million people. we were just discussing about whether this particular decision will stifle innovation.

read the first post: "Standardisation makes things easier and probably cheaper for the consumer, but does it stifle innovation?"

anyway, moving on... enjoy the rest of your weekend. :)

You didn‘t catch my point - anyway :-)

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