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#1746 21-Jun-2004 11:25

TO ALL:

Just looking at the max. speed (GPRS) of the two providers Telecom offers 153 K (027 numbers) while Vodafone only offer 115.2 K

What's happening to the world's most famours provider??
ALSO i feel that Telecom being the most dominant in NZ, all the new features will come out on Telecom first......WE have already started to see this

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#6734 21-Jun-2004 15:49

Actually, Vodafone leads in NZ.

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#6737 21-Jun-2004 16:07

To answer your question.

Telecom 1x network is up to 153kbps in both directions - expect 60-120kbps

Voda GPRS network is up to 115kbps downlink, 9.6kbps uplink - expect 35kbps downlink - does depend on a lot of factors though like class, slots used, capacity, network compression, which way the wind is blowing....

If you are looking for speed, reliability, coverage and ease of use then go for Telecom. All Telecom 027 phones and data devices will offer 60-120kbps.

Yes, you are correct Telecom are innovative -
1. World leading mobile data pricing - Voda were $30 p/meg for GPRS, they then matched Telecom at $5 p/meg.
2. SMS Short Codes - Voda followed Telecom on this one
3. Inter network SMS CDMA to GSM - world first, Telecom developed this
4. CDMA Packet Data - Telecom were one of the first in the world to launch this
5. Packet based mobile EFTPOS - Telecom first in the world to do this.

...and the list does go on. See it is more than just being first with voice!

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#6740 21-Jun-2004 18:51

One thing we all have to agree is that Telecom still don't have a prepay service.
Although, if you're really only focusing on the "Wireless" Era. i.e. networking mobile phone and computer; wouldn't you agree that Telecom is better??

ALSO; a scary fact is that none of our networks (in Aotearoa) are no way near as close to that of Australia. In nearly every aspect. AND if you compare with Asia we're way behind. What would you guys see as most in-need of improvement by telecom (the reason for this is i figured that telecom is the only telecommunications provider (in NI anyway)). BUT i wouldn't say that vodafone will follow technologies implemented as i think vodafone currently has more revenue (proportionally) than telecom.

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#6742 21-Jun-2004 19:34

I mean that you can't buy a phone on prepay from Telecom. As far as i know it must be on a plan.

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#6746 22-Jun-2004 07:24

personally, i think Radith has no idea what he is talking about or even know how to compare.

first off, Telecom's technology is advanced, that's true... but Telecom decided to head down that way as a mean to compete with Vodafone's (world proven GSM technology that supported throughout 90% of the world). To make it worse, 3G network is built on top of GSM foundation, with wideband CDMA packet technology.... hence in the end, for Telecom to roll out 3G network, Telecom will still have to invest back in the foundation core which is GSM foundation layer.

I know for fact that many other countries telco changed their cellphone technology from the old TDMA (025-like) to GSM based, due to simpler and user phone book portability and greater phones support and ease of maintenanse. Country like Malaysia has 5 cellphone providers, and early on there were 7 networks and a couple were solely supporting CDMA but later ditched them and switched to GSM/GPRS. Singapore has always been a GSM-centric country, Hong Kong currently has GSM/3G support. It goes on.... when 90% of the world uses a proven technology that still working like charm since 10 years ago, and still on the improvement and scalable into future due to its superior underlaying technology core, you can't argue against that. The figure and number of users worldwide that use GSM you can go wrong with that.

Telecom has dug themselves a dead end, if they pick up GSM technology now, it just mean that the $$$ they invested in CDMA currently may seem "inferior" compared to GSM. Beside, when/if you are trying to roam in 90% other percent of the world, Telecom HAS to provide you a GSM phone just so you can "roam"... kinda stupid and silly on Telecom's approach. The only good with CDMA implementation is, you get immediate support in Australia, USA and that's about it... Even if you go to Japan you'll need Do-Co-Mo iMode or PCN phone. And if going to China, you'll need GSM contrary to what many thought it is CDMA... China telco offers GPRS connection at flat rate, and i have hear many people in china uses GPRS for internet connection... beat that!!!

I'd be keen to see the day 3G is rolling out in NZ, that-then alone will spell the total muck-up of what Telecom has done for themselves since 2001 when they head down the CDMA path... I once read that, in order for Telecom to implement WCDMA/3G, they will have to have invest a huge amount of $$$ to put in the GSM foundation layer.

Beside, the reason there is CDMA today is largely because American has always been in a head-to-head "disagreement" with European standard, (yes, GSM is an European technology)

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#6747 22-Jun-2004 08:11

Johnr I do have my facts straight. I was at the Voda media launch for GPRS - they started at $30 p/meg. As I was involved in all the other services mentioned in my post I do speak with a high level of knowledge. So, may be you should look at getting your facts straight. Although reading your posts does make me laugh!

And to Chiefie...

Telecom do no have to go UMTS they have EVDO and EVDV as upgrade options. EVDO is up to 2.4Mbps in both directions. Some facts:

- KDDI in Japan is CDMA EVDO
- Several European countries are rolling out 450MHz EVDO as a wireless broadband service.
- In March 04 there were 202 million CDMA subscribers worldwide a growth of 31% over last year.

.....I guess that means there are 202 million stupid people on the planet!

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#6750 22-Jun-2004 10:07

Johnr

You have your blinkers on again. I have already suggested that you get your facts straight but this time you have totally out done yourself in the ignorance stacks.

Refer to Computerworld Monday, 18 June 2001. Article titled 'Vodafone to charge $30 a MB for GPRS'

Vodafone launched at $30 p/meg and did not reduce their pricing for 4 to 5 months. The Telecom data pricing has been the same since the 1x network was launched.

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#6751 22-Jun-2004 10:26

Hello from San Diego!

Please don't feed the troll... And please don't feed each other.

I personally think this discussion does provide any insight into the most important question, which is usability and usefulness of applications deployed on each network.

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#6753 22-Jun-2004 10:36

Johnr

Refer:
http://idg.net.nz/news.nsf/UNID/CC256CED0016AD1ECC256A6B007CDF29?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,gprs

http://idg.net.nz/pcworld/pcw.nsf/UNID/42807D7C024B1FC9CC256A790073162D?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,gprs

http://idg.net.nz/news.nsf/UNID/CC256CED0016AD1ECC256A700018303B?OpenDocument&Highlight=2,gprs

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#6779 23-Jun-2004 13:05

Gentlemen,
A sense of decorum please!

The EVDO announcement is certainly very interesting and it will be a great capability.

The following questions occur to me:

1. How widespread will the coverage be, and how quickly?
2. How will the pricing work? At that speed you'll need some GB caps or flat rate.
3. Will there be EV-DO handsets?
4. Will there be EV-DO plus 1X data cards or handsets (need to fall back to 1X coverage if EV-DO coverage is not 100%, and how seamless will this fallback be?)
5. How expensive/reliable will these devices be?
6. Will it roam? Remember that CDMA 1X still does not roam anywhere (including not 'officially' to Australia as a real service)

And there is an evolution of 3GSM/UMTS/W-CDMA called HSPDA, High Speed Packet Downlink Access(?), which is also very high bandwidth. Both systems will be based on CDMA so I am sure that radio modulation technologies will apply on both.

And of course what 3GSM will increasingly have in its favour is economy of scale as the number of 3GSM users will quickly overtake those of CDMA 1X/EV-DV. And in the end this may turn out to be the difference, i.e. the headstart and global scalability deriving from GSM.

Mauricio, how's that EDGE?

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#6780 23-Jun-2004 13:17

Working well. Using the EDGE card just after using the Vodafone MCC and you can notice the difference. Even in signal! Connecting to AT&T Wireless with the EDGE card shows a stronger signal than the MCC. I'm just now in downtown San Diego using the laptop from a Starbucks. Going better now, with more signal. Full report later.

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#6781 23-Jun-2004 13:19

Also, economy the scale for EV-DO will come out of the TNZ - Sprint work. Lots of devices available on the Sprint network can potentially be available here.

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#6782 23-Jun-2004 13:38

I agree it will be better than it is now, and the CDMA camp will get their combined purchasing improved. But you will still face a difference of some 200M on CDMA 1x/EV-DV and 1Billion on UMTS (if you assume upgrades of current numbers).

And then there's China which will be the real battle ground, including a home-grown version of 3G called TD-SCDMA which the Govt. will want to push, otherwise the amount of money flowing out of China in form of technology royalties would be immense.

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#6793 23-Jun-2004 16:26

The original poster referred to somethign called "telecom gprs", which immediately caused him to lose credibility in my eyes.

even so, i understood telecom's data transfers speed are currently well above vodadone's.

forgive my sketchy understanding, but i remember that GSM's upgrade path leads to WCDMA. is this the 3G that vodafone is implementing this year?

WCDMA has "qualcomm backing".. does that mean that the current cdma networks will eventually end up using some very simular?

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#6796 23-Jun-2004 18:01

Yes it is confusing.

The GSM evolution is to 3GSM also called UMTS (Universal Mobile Telecommunications Service) or W-CDMA (Wideband CDMA). EDGE is sort of an enhancement to GPRS as it still uses TDMA timeslots but with more efficient modulation to improve speed but it is not a full evolution.

CDMA evolution is to CDMA 1xRTT, then CDMA 1xEV-DO (evolution data only) then 1xEV-DV (evolution data and voice).

Both will be CDMA on the air-interface, W-CDMA by its name is a wider carrier so will theoretically be faster.

Qualcomm own certain IP in all CDMA variants, but less so in W-CDMA which was also developed by Nokia, Ericsson, Siemens (and perhaps others).

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