Vodafone To telecom PXT and vice-versa

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#2208 8-Sep-2004 16:57

Why are Vodafone users going to be able to PXT telecom users on vice-versa? I know vodafone said their working with telecom on(but that was 2 months ago). I know they have to decode the PXT cuz there 2 different networks. But it should be done by now. TXTing from vodafone to telecom and vice-versa didn't take this long to implement.

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#8358 8-Sep-2004 17:27

My recollection is that it took ages for an SMS interconnection agreement to be reached. I'm sure that Telecom and Vodafone could sit around the table arguing about interconnection charges for some time.

Don't forget that Telecom was burnt by SMS interconnection charges when they introduced the $10 TXT. They'll want to tread carefully with MMS.

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#8417 9-Sep-2004 20:50

It took several years for an SMS interconnection - when Telecom launched it initially they were using an overseas internet gateway that resulted in an absolutely abysmal and unreliable system that could take between 10 seconds and 24 hours to deliver an SMS. So hopeless infact that Telecom even mentioned at the bottom of their press ads promoting the service that it should not be used for time critical applications and substancial delays may occured.

If you look at the Telecom free photo messaging promotion ads now they specifically say it excludes messages to 021/029 phones, something it didn't say for several months when they first started the promotion.

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#8419 9-Sep-2004 21:35

Thanks for refreshing my memory regarding the history of text messaging interconnection. Now that I think of it, I can definitely recall a few horror stories.

However, I'm not sure that I understand the implication of your comment regarding Telecom not mentioning the exclusion of 021 customers in the early days of the free Photo Messaging promotion. Surely this was nothing more than a simple oversight? It certainly wouldn't be the first time their marketing department have stuffed up.

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#8432 10-Sep-2004 15:46

i doubt it will be this year cause telecom have free photo messaging til the end of the year and telecom wouldnt be making any money from them, they'd be losing money from the interconnect charges.

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#8434 10-Sep-2004 16:10

It could well be this year - the telecom free photo messaging excludes msgs to 021/029 mobiles.

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#8445 10-Sep-2004 19:54

You mean Telecom actually have pxt phones now??...wow that's amazing.

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#8446 10-Sep-2004 20:05

Sorry, sbiddle. I was having a blonde night last night, but I'm with you now!

Yes, it's definitely strong evidence that an agreement may not be far off. It's certainly been a long time coming.

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#8455 12-Sep-2004 08:46

My implication re the inclusion of the fine print relating to messages to 021/029 phones was to do with exactly when Telecom started mentioning this. I don't know if the current free photo messaging until the end of the year campaign always included this, if this was the case and you could prove you purchased a phone and started using the service and the terms and conditions were changed at a later date without adequate notice (ie fine print in a billboard or press ad probably isn't adequate notice) then you would probably have a case to demand free MMS to 021 and 029 because.

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#8509 13-Sep-2004 10:51

The whole story with SMS to the GSM network arose as while telecom were all for it, Vodafone did not want to co-operate.

A system was worked on where all messages sent to an 021XXXXXXX were redirected to an Email platform and sent to specific address, a SMS service based in UK or wherever who would then forward it to the GSM network.

This of course annoyed vodafone madly as if you bought 025 you could TXT 2 networks, not just 1.. a reply was possible by creating an email on 021 and sending it to 025XXXXXXX@TXT.CO.NZ. At the time Vodafone had the Text market on a cushy number. It had over 90%

The trick worked a beaut, Vodafone were soon talking to Telecom and had it all running within a month or two. (sms is simple) of course Vodafone got a little too happy with this and advertised it like nothing before causing everyone to "try" it and completly jam up the servers killing it off almost before it started.

Of course, with MMS, you could always send a "wap push" formatted SMS to a vodafone mobile to make it "collect" an mms from your web server. This is not being detailed here however and it will charge the recipient data charges.

but they will no doubt set-up a system to allow the two networks to "talk", there is alot more to take into consideration. Picture sizes, MMS sizes, all the types of phones can only handle certain size MMS, (gx30, only 30KB, t68i only 50KB) and especially all the audio formats, (GSM, AMR, SMAF, MIDI, Mp3) so it will be a much longer task.

(A year earlier I had this working, using emil-SMS andmobile orginated emails.

025XXXXXX@airnote.co.nz
Hi this is a test
Sent to 888 (at the time) from the GSM mobile

0212XXXXXX@vodafone.net.nz
Hi test back at cha.
sent to 6245 (MAIL) From the Telecom mobile.

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#8510 13-Sep-2004 11:00

0212XXXXXX@vodafone.net.nz

This was related to the Vodafone webmail notification, which could relay the message to a mobile phone. The webmail service has evolved since then, and it's different now. The e-mail to SMS gateway is still available, but you have to request your number to be included in the service. Great if you want to avoid spam. And the domain name is a little different now.