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  #3048831 10-Mar-2023 21:52
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timmmay:

 

I've just come off a Time Of Use based plan back to flat rate. I much, much prefer it, and so does my wife, so we don't have to consider the time when we use power. I would be hesitant to go back onto one of the TOU plans.

 

I do think some of the time of use plans are just pure marketing for the majority of people. For me, as I drive a long range EV and do a whole lot of driving charging overnight is both where I save the most money, and also emit the least carbon.

 

I do like how Ecotricity is now carbon positive and to me it is important with how climate change is really showing it's ugly side. I know it is the same mix of power but more it is the fact the company does their part.

 

I'm personally with Octopus and like them. They've recently been working out a solution to move hot water heating to off-peak using smart meters and are the first provider I've seen to do this: https://octopusenergy.nz/blog/hacking-hot-water-to-save-money - this is one feature I am really looking forward to.





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  #3048836 10-Mar-2023 22:08
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I'm personally with Octopus and like them. They've recently been working out a solution to move hot water heating to off-peak using smart meters and are the first provider I've seen to do this: https://octopusenergy.nz/blog/hacking-hot-water-to-save-money - this is one feature I am really looking forward to.

 

 

Ah, so they're making a hosted timer, nice. That'll be good for the majority who don't want to have a timer installed in their switchboard. I had one installed years ago, it's saved a fair bit of money over the years. I still use it, but instead of aiming cheap power I heat before the hot water is usually needed. Like they say, I don't need a full tank of hot water at 10am, but I might at 6pm.


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  #3048837 10-Mar-2023 22:09
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michaelmurfy:

 

timmmay:

 

I've just come off a Time Of Use based plan back to flat rate. I much, much prefer it, and so does my wife, so we don't have to consider the time when we use power. I would be hesitant to go back onto one of the TOU plans.

 

I do think some of the time of use plans are just pure marketing for the majority of people. For me, as I drive a long range EV and do a whole lot of driving charging overnight is both where I save the most money, and also emit the least carbon.

 

I do like how Ecotricity is now carbon positive and to me it is important with how climate change is really showing it's ugly side. I know it is the same mix of power but more it is the fact the company does their part.

 

I'm personally with Octopus and like them. They've recently been working out a solution to move hot water heating to off-peak using smart meters and are the first provider I've seen to do this: https://octopusenergy.nz/blog/hacking-hot-water-to-save-money - this is one feature I am really looking forward to.

 

In regard to HWC energy consumption we haven't needed any grid input to ours since fitting a Paladin diverter 12 months ago as part of our PV system. The reduction in power consumption since then has been substantial and mostly in our peak rate charges. The Paladin just sits there and monitors for any exported generation from our property and stashes it away as hot water. Works well!





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  #3048984 11-Mar-2023 15:56
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TOU plans are (obviously) perfect for folks with EVs who can charge overnight and/or solar set up.

 

For everyone else to make it actually beat a flat rate plan (Flick $1870 for 6500kwh) they'd need to put:

 

  • 70% of load into off peak on the Flick off-peak plan
  • 50% off peak and 20% night on the Octopus flexi plan
  • 30% off peak and 60% night on the stupidly horrendously priced EK movemaster.

I'm going to make the assumption that most people can't really achieve that, and end up just paying more...


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  #3048989 11-Mar-2023 16:40
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With Octopus on a standard plan in Hamilton (Spa, pool and PHEV) we manage the following split.

 

  • 11% Peak
  • 55% Off-peak
  • 34% Night

Which works out to noticeably cheaper than the best constant rate plans (and even better in winter when Night % increases).

 

So for the right people TOU can work. It's estimated the average all electrical house has 30% of there power used to heat the water, in which case stick a timer onto the hotwater cylinder and you could easily shift that to off-peak or night.

 

 

 

EK move-master really got hammered in Jan when they were forced to put there prices up by ~25% (having issues purchasing enough power on long term contracts, wonder why gentailers), before that they were slightly better than the fixed plans and 1-2% worse than Octopus.


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  #3048991 11-Mar-2023 17:03
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^ yeah if you've got timers on HWC, pool pumps, spas, EVs or anything that is significant load that can be shifted they certainly work. But for the average household...


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  #3048994 11-Mar-2023 17:14
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We had hot water on timer, dishwasher on timer, clothes drier on timer (not always), heating before 7am, etc. So much hassle. Never again unless it's a LOT cheaper.


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  #3048999 11-Mar-2023 17:23
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@eonsim With your Solar PV setup, wouldn’t the Octopus low user plan be better for your use case with no daily fixed charge as on the standard plan it’s $2.36 IIRC for Hamilton which is $71/month just for line charges?





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  #3049007 11-Mar-2023 18:07
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billgates:

 

@eonsim With your Solar PV setup, wouldn’t the Octopus low user plan be better for your use case with no daily fixed charge as on the standard plan it’s $2.36 IIRC for Hamilton which is $71/month just for line charges?

 

 

The current solar was enough to have us on low user before the pool was installed. With a pool, spa and PHEV, miles off a low user, looking to see where else we can add extra panels (Garage, covered deck etc).


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  #3049018 11-Mar-2023 18:39
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billgates:

 

@eonsim With your Solar PV setup, wouldn’t the Octopus low user plan be better for your use case with no daily fixed charge as on the standard plan it’s $2.36 IIRC for Hamilton which is $71/month just for line charges?

 

 

The current solar was enough to have us on low user before the pool was installed. With a pool, spa and PHEV, miles off a low user, looking to see where else we can add extra panels (Garage, covered deck etc).

 

Keep in mind that if you have the land area (e.g. rural) you can ground mount rather than on roofs.

 

From our previous property. Aerials are mounted on the chook house behind as we hosted a rural wireless ISP access point.

 

 

 





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  #3049024 11-Mar-2023 19:09
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HarmLessSolutions:

 

Keep in mind that if you have the land area (e.g. rural) you can ground mount rather than on roofs.

 

From our previous property. Aerials are mounted on the chook house behind as we hosted a rural wireless ISP access point.

 

 

 

We have enough land so have considered it, but lots and lots of tree on all sides and a narrow oddly shaped section with lots of gully. Currently thinking I'll try to get 3-4kW put on a freestanding covered deck, kinda half way between roof and ground mounted.


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  #3065410 19-Apr-2023 11:45
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Has anyone looked at PowerEdge or got a quote from them? Offering fixed rates for 5 years and a 20c/kWh export rate + $150 credit, but have to contact them for import rates and day charges.

 

https://poweredge.nz/power-shield-best-solar-export-rates/


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  #3065777 19-Apr-2023 17:51
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@eonsim I received the below rates from Poweredge 4 months ago for Waipa region. Only credit is provided which cannot be cashed out. It's a one man band owner company.

Power Shield 5-year contract with a 24-month free exit

Our solar low user exclusive GST rates for your area are:
60c per day
32.5c per kWh import
17.39c per kWh exported (20c incl GST)
0.15c per kWh EA Levy


Option 2

Open plan

Our solar low user exclusive GST rates for your area are:

60c per day
30c per kWh import
12.5c per kWh exported (14.37c incl GST)
0.15c per kWh EA Levy

95% of our customers have solar


We will also upgrade your meter to a solar-smart meter for free




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  #3065929 20-Apr-2023 09:34
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Octopus has now removed the no daily charge rate offer for low user and at least for Hamilton, the daily rate is now $1.04.

 

 

 





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  #3065932 20-Apr-2023 09:50
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billgates: @eonsim I received the below rates from Poweredge 4 months ago for Waipa region. Only credit is provided which cannot be cashed out. It's a one man band owner company.

Power Shield 5-year contract with a 24-month free exit

Our solar low user exclusive GST rates for your area are:
60c per day
32.5c per kWh import
17.39c per kWh exported (20c incl GST)
0.15c per kWh EA Levy


Option 2

Open plan

Our solar low user exclusive GST rates for your area are:

60c per day
30c per kWh import
12.5c per kWh exported (14.37c incl GST)
0.15c per kWh EA Levy

 

Those aren't terrible rates for a low user, might be worth pinging them for there standard user rates after all.


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