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Perthman
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  #1558274 23-May-2016 21:47
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allio:

 

Perthman:

 

A 9kg in an inside cupboard not sealed off will create all sorts of other hazards, inc insurance and non compliance issues. We have just moved home from an all gas to an all electric so the first move was the cooktop. You will need a gas fitter and it is not just a matter of putting a hole thru the wall and connecting a bottle.  There are the correct connections inside, a cut off valve inside, a rrestraining strap, a connection point outside including a test valve, cover over the top of the bottle (we are using a 9kg with backup 4.5kg bottles from the motorhome), restraining strap -yep the whole 9yards.  Havent had the bill yet :-)

 

 

 

Interesting to read the run times for a bottle tho - sounds good.  And for those contemplating 45kg bottles, dont forget they also charge you what amounts to close to a bottle refill again as a rental charge.  Our last bottles were costing around $112 each

 

 

I saw a quote somewhere of around $500 for the most basic internal 9kg -> external 9kg install, so I'm imagining it'll be anything upwards from there for a more complicated install. I figure it's worth doing properly the first time.

 

$112 per bottle seems like a huge rental charge, unless you were getting a significantly discounted refill cost as well? Genesis does 2x45kg bottles for $115 rental (and $97 refills - cheapest option I've found so far). Ongas and Metrogas charge $128 for 2x45kg rental.

 

1eStar:

 

If you move to an external gas bottle you will need to have the system recertified by a gas fitter.

If your current gas stove is not a certified burner, it may need to be replaced in it's entirety with a modern certified appliance.

If your residence is or has been unoccupied for a sufficiently long enough period (6months? 9months? Sorry can't recall), your system will need to be recertified.

If you do not have certification then the gas supply company will not deliver gas.

 

 

 

Edit: to say what I mean...

 

 

Thanks. Was aware that the external install will need certification, and that the gas company will need the certification before they agree to deliver. The house hasn't been unoccupied, and it looked like a standard gas range so I'd be disappointed if that had to come out. Will find out after I move in I guess.

 

I've decided to just ask the gasfitter to install a bracket/retainer compatible with both 45kg and 9kg bottles if possible, and if it's not I'm just going to go straight for 45kgs. Other half is keener to get continuous hot water than I'd thought so that might be in the medium term future rather than long term.

 

 

 

 

Clarification -- probably badly put - the Rental was about equal to the cost of ONE refill and when I think about it the rental was actually $95 for the 2 bottles. Refills down here were costing me $112 per bottle (Contact)

 

The $500 figure does not surprise - past experience with gas makes me wonder if they are tied to the royal mint.

 

 

 

 




allio

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  #1558377 24-May-2016 07:39
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I've just come across Energy Online, who do 2x45kg bottles for $60 rental/year + $99 refills. Easily the best price I've come across. For one cylinder's use per year, that works out close enough to the cost of 4x9kg swaps. I'll go with this option I think. Cheers to all for the advice.


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  #1558384 24-May-2016 08:09
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In the meantime, so you can sleep at night, make up a detergent/water mix in a spray bottle. Then squirt it all over the gas lines and fittings on the gas bottle, and where it feeds into the stove. If there's no bubbles evident, rest easy. If there's bubbles fizzing away. Turn your has bottle off, and get that gasfitter promptly.



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  #1558416 24-May-2016 08:47
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allio:

I've just come across Energy Online, who do 2x45kg bottles for $60 rental/year + $99 refills. Easily the best price I've come across. For one cylinder's use per year, that works out close enough to the cost of 4x9kg swaps. I'll go with this option I think. Cheers to all for the advice.



That's half the rental I'm paying. Going to see if they deliver to my location!

Edit: oh, have to have electricity with them to get lpg.

allio

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  #1558417 24-May-2016 08:51
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1eStar: In the meantime, so you can sleep at night, make up a detergent/water mix in a spray bottle. Then squirt it all over the gas lines and fittings on the gas bottle, and where it feeds into the stove. If there's no bubbles evident, rest easy. If there's bubbles fizzing away. Turn your has bottle off, and get that gasfitter promptly.

 

Now that's useful (and potentially lifesaving) advice!

 

JayADee: That's half the rental I'm paying. Going to see if they deliver to my location!

 

It's a bloody good price, eh. I had to double-check because it's literally half the rental cost of most other outfits, so I wondered if they were sneakily presenting a per-bottle charge as a total charge. But no, it's in their price list - that's definitely the price for two bottles.

 

JayADee: Edit: oh, have to have electricity with them to get lpg.

 

Ah, there's the catch then. Not a problem for me as I'm a low electricity user and their power prices seem pretty competitive, according to whatsmynumber.


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  #1558420 24-May-2016 08:58
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allio:

 

1eStar: In the meantime, so you can sleep at night, make up a detergent/water mix in a spray bottle. Then squirt it all over the gas lines and fittings on the gas bottle, and where it feeds into the stove. If there's no bubbles evident, rest easy. If there's bubbles fizzing away. Turn your has bottle off, and get that gasfitter promptly.

 

Now that's useful (and potentially lifesaving) advice!

 

JayADee: That's half the rental I'm paying. Going to see if they deliver to my location!

 

It's a bloody good price, eh. I had to double-check because it's literally half the rental cost of most other outfits, so I wondered if they were sneakily presenting a per-bottle charge as a total charge. But no, it's in their price list - that's definitely the price for two bottles.

 

JayADee: Edit: oh, have to have electricity with them to get lpg.

 

Ah, there's the catch then. Not a problem for me as I'm a low electricity user and their power prices seem pretty competitive, according to whatsmynumber.

 

 

 

 

Hmm. Might be time to drop Contact/Rockgas.


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  #1558434 24-May-2016 09:17
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allio:

1eStar: In the meantime, so you can sleep at night, make up a detergent/water mix in a spray bottle. Then squirt it all over the gas lines and fittings on the gas bottle, and where it feeds into the stove. If there's no bubbles evident, rest easy. If there's bubbles fizzing away. Turn your has bottle off, and get that gasfitter promptly.


Now that's useful (and potentially lifesaving) advice!


JayADee: That's half the rental I'm paying. Going to see if they deliver to my location!


It's a bloody good price, eh. I had to double-check because it's literally half the rental cost of most other outfits, so I wondered if they were sneakily presenting a per-bottle charge as a total charge. But no, it's in their price list - that's definitely the price for two bottles.


JayADee: Edit: oh, have to have electricity with them to get lpg.


Ah, there's the catch then. Not a problem for me as I'm a low electricity user and their power prices seem pretty competitive, according to whatsmynumber.



I'm just comparing them to my current electricity provider.

 
 
 

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  #1558603 24-May-2016 13:02
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allio:

 

1eStar: In the meantime, so you can sleep at night, make up a detergent/water mix in a spray bottle. Then squirt it all over the gas lines and fittings on the gas bottle, and where it feeds into the stove. If there's no bubbles evident, rest easy. If there's bubbles fizzing away. Turn your has bottle off, and get that gasfitter promptly.

 

Now that's useful (and potentially lifesaving) advice!

 

 

I am surprised that you did not know this ? Thought it was kinda general knowledge ?

 

Every BBQ,, and other gas appliance that I have purchased always advises to do the soapy water test. The refilling stations also perform this test.

 

 


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  #1558632 24-May-2016 13:31
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SepticSceptic:

 

I am surprised that you did not know this ? Thought it was kinda general knowledge ?

 

Every BBQ,, and other gas appliance that I have purchased always advises to do the soapy water test. The refilling stations also perform this test.

 

 

As might be surmised from the rest of this thread, I don't have a lot of experience with gas! smile


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  #1558650 24-May-2016 13:48
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Many councils won't allow LPG cylinders inside, and they won't issue a code of compliance if it has, I know this from personal experience. I would also check with your insurance company. I would get the cylinders outside as soon as possible. You can buy big cylinders from hardware stores,  but the problem is that they are difficult to move around and transport, and you can't just use a swap a cylinder. Leasing them from your power company gets around this problem, and they lend you two which they swap out when one  needs filling.


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  #1558676 24-May-2016 14:11
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1eStar: ... so you can sleep at night, ...

 

There are LPG/carbon monoxide detectors/alarms available.


Huchiz
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  #1563810 1-Jun-2016 18:54
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lapimate:

 

1eStar: ... so you can sleep at night, ...

 

There are LPG/carbon monoxide detectors/alarms available.

 

 

 

 

That's the first thing I installed when we moved to the new house which has a gas hob connected to a 9kg bottle outside, and also a 9kg spare bottle. 

 

Oh man we love cooking with gas hob.:D


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