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#2301168 18-Aug-2019 10:55

I'll have a crack since we replaced a kitchen earlier this year:

We had a medium size kitchen and relied on a kitchen specialist to do it all. We priced three Kitchens (Mitre 10, Mastercraft and bespoke) and went for Mastercraft (mid-price of the three).

My estimate price ranges below

New cabinetry installed (including removal of old kitchen): $15-20k

Plumber and electrician: $3-6k

Tiler and tiles: 1-2k

+ appliances (I think we spent around $7k for range, hobs and rangehood).

One thing I would do differently - we had the old kitchen removed one day and new cabinetry in the next. Ideally, I'd put a few days in between for painting walls which is a lot easier in an empty kitchen than having to cut in around new cabinetry.

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#2301182 18-Aug-2019 12:16

Thats really helpful - and I was a bit vague!

The breakdown of trades, applianced and cabinet cost is really useful.

It's a medium size kitchen, and needs starting from scratch. Sink would be in same location (hopefully reducing plumbing cost). Hob would be where the stove is currently but the oven would move to a tower unit. We'd need some new electrical sockets so some work for a sparky.

I'd be happy to remove the existing units and paint. And capable of putting together flat pack stuff. But I'd rather have a trades person install and do tiling/splashbacks etc.

I'm assuming Mitre10/Bunnings etc provide the flat pack but I'd have to organise installation, sparky, plumber etc.

Was wondering if some of the mid range providers do all that. I guess there's a premium in cost but I need to weigh up the east of that compared to organising it myself.

We're rurally based too - 35 minutes out of Timaru which won't help either!

Thinking I should get quotes from Mitre10 and someone like Mastercraft, there seem to by a couple of similar outfits in Timaru.

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#2301211 18-Aug-2019 14:21

Lots of power points, need either 3 or 4 double sockets.

Consider a single smooth surface instead of tiles, easier to clean splash back.

You definitely need some splash back around the sink, we just thought we'd get away with having wash and wear paint and we wish we had splash back, I'm gonna have to install a mini splash back surface.

Here is our kitchen. It was only 2.3x3m so we took out the wall.

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#2301269 18-Aug-2019 15:34

Don't assume that custom made cabinetry is significantly more expensive than standard cabinets. When we did our kitchen one of the cheaper quotes was from a company who custom made the required cabinets, including the overhead cabinets going to the ceiling.

The big cost difference was benchtops. We went granite which was mid range. Formica was the cheapest, then granite / engineered stone and stainless steel / wood was the most expensive. These were all made to measure rather than stock.

I don't necessarily agree that stainless steel is significantly easier to maintain or clean. If the bench is underslung, like kiwijunglist sink above, it's much of a muchness. The sinks like nebs example remind me of a camp ground kitchen - not exactly what I was looking for out of a $15k kitchen.

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#2301276 18-Aug-2019 15:53

dafman: I'll have a crack since we replaced a kitchen earlier this year: We had a medium size kitchen and relied on a kitchen specialist to do it all. We priced three Kitchens (Mitre 10, Mastercraft and bespoke) and went for Mastercraft (mid-price of the three). My estimate price ranges below New cabinetry installed (including removal of old kitchen): $15-20k Plumber and electrician: $3-6k Tiler and tiles: 1-2k + appliances (I think we spent around $7k for range, hobs and rangehood). One thing I would do differently - we had the old kitchen removed one day and new cabinetry in the next. Ideally, I'd put a few days in between for painting walls which is a lot easier in an empty kitchen than having to cut in around new cabinetry.

I guess this is something that varies a lot, I was surprised with your costs though as my kitchen is quite large at 3x4m and my costs came in at less than 50% of your costs. New cabinetry with overhead cabinets and large laminate bench top and stainless steel lazy susan and removal of old kitchen $9000. Plumber $400, not sure about sparky yet as still waiting for bill. We also got our new oven, range hood, cooktop, sink and tap from trade depot for $1200, all of that with a bit of plastering and painting and a new floor and tiles and our who kitchen reno was about $15,000.

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#2301293 18-Aug-2019 16:13

Our kitchen cost about 28k for cabinets and benchtops and splash backs and sink. Additional cost is paint/plaster, removing a wall, appliances, gas, plumbing and electrical.

Cost is higher for a few reasons. Custom made cabinets, and used drawers for just about everything as well as a custom pantry with pull out drawers and integrated hide away doors as well as bottle pull out and rubbish pull out.

Small kitchens are not necessarily cheaper given you have less room you have to sometimes use more expensive solutions to maximise the storage space.

We found custom cabinets not much more expensive than M10.

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#2301297 18-Aug-2019 16:26

@David321 who did you get your cabinetry from?

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#2301306 18-Aug-2019 17:32

Chrisclarke:

@David321 who did you get your cabinetry from?

I went with Select Kitchens, he came in much cheaper than my other quotes. Here are two photos, my kitchen before and how it is currently, he was about $9000 for removal of old kitchen, making the cabinets and installing the cabinets. I did all the painting and gib work and the electrical, plumbing, and plastering was extra.

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#2301393 18-Aug-2019 23:27

kiwijunglist:

Lots of power points, need either 3 or 4 double sockets.

Consider a single smooth surface instead of tiles, easier to clean splash back.

You definitely need some splash back around the sink, we just thought we'd get away with having wash and wear paint and we wish we had splash back, I'm gonna have to install a mini splash back surface.

Here is our kitchen. It was only 2.3x3m so we took out the wall.

Curious where you put the microwave at.

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#2301399 18-Aug-2019 23:37

With labour, I would have thought tiles would be more expensive than a glass glassback, plus you also have grou staining, unless you go dark, or epoxy. But the tiler told us epoxy is very costly. We went for dark glass mirror splashback, and the bench is 800mm deep, so it rarely gets anything on the glass. When it does it is simple to clean off. Plus it has a special coating on i that makes it less prone to smears.

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#2301454 19-Aug-2019 08:34

David321:
dafman: I'll have a crack since we replaced a kitchen earlier this year: We had a medium size kitchen and relied on a kitchen specialist to do it all. We priced three Kitchens (Mitre 10, Mastercraft and bespoke) and went for Mastercraft (mid-price of the three). My estimate price ranges below New cabinetry installed (including removal of old kitchen): $15-20k Plumber and electrician: $3-6k Tiler and tiles: 1-2k + appliances (I think we spent around $7k for range, hobs and rangehood). One thing I would do differently - we had the old kitchen removed one day and new cabinetry in the next. Ideally, I'd put a few days in between for painting walls which is a lot easier in an empty kitchen than having to cut in around new cabinetry.

I guess this is something that varies a lot, I was surprised with your costs though as my kitchen is quite large at 3x4m and my costs came in at less than 50% of your costs. New cabinetry with overhead cabinets and large laminate bench top and stainless steel lazy susan and removal of old kitchen $9000. Plumber $400, not sure about sparky yet as still waiting for bill. We also got our new oven, range hood, cooktop, sink and tap from trade depot for $1200, all of that with a bit of plastering and painting and a new floor and tiles and our who kitchen reno was about $15,000.

Yes, my $15-20k range is probably on the high side. I think our cabinetry was $16-17k, but it includes an engineered stone top which was around $4-5k of that total, so a composite top would reduce cost.

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#2301513 19-Aug-2019 09:43

sonyxperiageek:

Curious where you put the microwave at.

We hide all our appliances in here, It looks tidy when you close the doors. 900 wide / 700 deep pantry. Designed by me, built by Wright kitchens in Wellington.

You can never have enough power points in a kitchen we have (19 power points for a small kitchen).

3 power points under sink

4 power points on kitchen bench

4 power points on pantry bench for appliances

2 power points for pantry for f/f & m.wave

1 power point for oven

1 power point for stove top

2 power point in top cabinet for rangehood

2 power points on wall for vacuum

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#2301603 19-Aug-2019 11:25

mattwnz:

... unless you go dark, or epoxy. But the tiler told us epoxy is very costly.

Its not that much more costly in the scheme of things really. But it is definitely a harder job to do, you only get a very short time to mix the grout and get it into place before it hardens too much to use. You also have to wipe and wipe it down really carefully as the residue can smear a cloudy haze onto the tiles that sets and can never be removed. Many tilers don't like this extra complication/stress.

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#2301605 19-Aug-2019 11:27

Handle9:

I don't necessarily agree that stainless steel is significantly easier to maintain or clean. If the bench is underslung, like kiwijunglist sink above, it's much of a muchness. The sinks like nebs example remind me of a camp ground kitchen - not exactly what I was looking for out of a $15k kitchen.

Something else to consider with stainless is whether you will get sun shining directly onto it, the bright reflections can be awful.

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#2301635 19-Aug-2019 12:46

kiwijunglist:
You definitely need some splash back around the sink, we just thought we'd get away with having wash and wear paint and we wish we had splash back, I'm gonna have to install a mini splash back surface.

Yeah, that's another important thing, for any painted surfaces use kitchen/bathroom-rated paint (every brand has its own special names for it, Wash and Wear is Dulux) everywhere, even where you think you won't need it. The Casa de Cowboy has the generic wall paint that was used in the rest of the house on the windowsills, and unless you wipe off water splashes fairly quickly they leave noticeable marks.

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