Recommendation for decent oven - Bosch, Miele, other?

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#2852132 17-Jan-2022 12:15

Zal:

Some of the lower Bosch models are made in China where the better stuff is made in Germany. Uh I'm not sure on the model numbers to confirm this.

Yes, I know that to be true. Having said that, the local suppliers here are the same regardless and it was their handling of the issues we faced that turned us off the brand. Stuff fails, sometimes it's not that good, we understand, but it's the making it right that is the crux of the issue.

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#2852135 17-Jan-2022 12:18

I understood that Series 6 and 8 models where made in Germany where as Series 4 where elsewhere. Our Series 6 dishwasher has been fantastic since it replaced a crappy samsung unit and we've just had to buy a Series 6 oven as our samsung oven has finally died after 9 years of it suffering from issues.

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#2852240 17-Jan-2022 12:46

After the first lockdown (seems like an ago!) we outfitted our kitchen with a Bosch series 6 pyrolitic built in oven. It's brilliant!* We got a series 4 touch control cooktop to go with it (couldn't get a series 6) and a series 6 dishwasher. Couldn't be happier with them.

* Edit: It heats up really fast, is cool to the touch when cooking, has a meat probe, has a drawer slider, comes with 2 full depth and two half depth trays. This one.

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#2852245 17-Jan-2022 13:00

Bosch is a great balance of value and performance - I like their dishwashers as much as I dislike our current Smeg appliances.

Our Miele washing machine has been top notch for the last 6 years, our drier isn't as good (it struggles with towels / bedding)... but it was the entry level sensor unit version compared to the much higher spec'd washing machine.

If I had to replace my Smeg oven and dishwasher tomorrow, I'd buy a Bosch dishwasher and be in a bind re: whether to buy a Miele or Bosch oven - but I would certainly be going pyro for ease of cleaning.

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#2852248 17-Jan-2022 13:04

My Mile was 6k new is 12 years old and has been an excellent oven.

I always wanted a steam oven but they were small and single purpose,

When my mother updated her Bosch we found her a Mile combination steam oven which can steam and roast.

The automatic recipes are awesome.

It has put out some spectacular food and I kind of wish my oven would die so I can update it to a combi steam.

Only issue I have had with Mile ovens was 2years in we had a board fail for the moisture inject function,

Warranty in house service call fixed it with no issues.

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#2852685 18-Jan-2022 09:18

Hi all, thanks for the input. Seem like we were on the right lines with Bosch or Miele. We have Bosch elsewhere and are (generally) very happy with them. Wouldn't be looking at Smeg. F&P have large internal dimensions but I haven't done much research into them and haven't used much of their gear.

Apparently one of the differences between Bosch 6 and 8 series is the ability to leave the metalwork in the oven when doing the clean, which seems useful but not a dealbreaker.

@Inphinity and others with a series 8 with the round control dial - does it work well / reliably, or are the touch buttons and rotary dial a bit of a pain. This is one of my reservations with the Series 8 so very interested in first hand opinions. Appreciate yours is a few years old but the same looking control pad is on current models.

The German made Bosch stuff generally has big "made in Germany" stickers on the display models, as they use it as a sales technique. The series 8 we are looking at is made in Germany.

@Dratsab that is also an option for us I think. Have you used the meat probe?

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#2852691 18-Jan-2022 09:28

I was torn between the Series 8 and 6 ovens but reading about the dial on the series 8 it seemed a bit fiddly and it didn't show the timer easily etc. While it had more telescopic trays etc. the 6 seeemed more practical and easier to use. I also looked at a FP that was ~2700 that I quite liked but the missus vetoed it on it looking 'too complicated'.

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#2852698 18-Jan-2022 09:39

We went with an Electrolux 60CM oven for our build 2 years ago and it was Made in Australia. Came with full extension sliders (couple of them) which was a big pull compared to Miele that would have cost $700 just for sliders alone for an otherwise comparative oven. Happy with the oven. Came with a wired temperature probe as well.

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#2852706 18-Jan-2022 09:52

Extensible and flexible railing with good internal capacity are the areas we wanted to focus on.

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#2852740 18-Jan-2022 11:04

phrozenpenguin:

Would be keen to get current opinions on good ovens - standard size 60cm integrated ovens. We are planning on replacing our very basic one that came with the house (small internal capacity, poor temperature control, long heating times) with something better.

Currently looking at a Bosch 8 series, have also been advised to look at an entry level Miele which is a similar price (under $3k). From searching, this seems to align with advice here.

Does anybody have any specific reccomendations, or am I missing anything from my list of thoughts/comparisons/things to be aware of below?

- Pyroletic seems a good thing - some you can leave rails etc in, some you can't
- Meat probes are available on some models, unlikely to use
- Never used a steam oven and they are a lot more expensive so not looking at these
- Draw sliders - sometimes these are full extension, sometimes not
- Draw sliders - sometimes these are movable, sometimes they are fixed
- I have heard mention of different thermostat types (not sure if it as simple as analogue and digital)
- Touch controls vs manual controls
- Internal capacity can vary significantly for same external dimesnions

This is a Bosch option: https://www.bosch-home.co.nz/productlist/cooking-baking/ovens/built-in-ovens/HBG6753B1A

This is a Miele option: https://www.miele.co.nz/domestic/ovens-1451.htm?mat=11127700&name=H_2267-1_BP_ACTIVE

We are open to others, thanks for any advice.

We updated our kitchen last year and decided on the same model Bosch you have linked to (also installed a Bosch induction cooktop).

Oven was made in Germany and cooktop was made in Spain.

Oven replaced a 'Shacklock' from 2002 which was very reliable. We use our oven a lot.

The Bosch is silent and heats up to whatever temp you choose in 4-5 minutes. Also takes a long time to cool down - So very well insulated.

We found that compared to the old oven, it seems a bit smaller inside - I imagine this is the insulation factor and probably the same for any newer products.

We had to change a couple of our old trays to fit the new oven.

Controls are easy to use and clear to see.

I looked at a Miele very similar to the one you have linked to - the thing that immediately put me off was the pop out black plastic knob. First thing I though is that will get warm and the plastic will dry out and after a few years it will crack. It seemed very tacky. Couldn't believe for a premium product they couldn't have spent another 50c and at least put something metallic on it. As petty as that sounds it made me choose the Bosch.

Some of the talk over where the products are made is a bit of snobbery in my view. There are many 'European' products that are built in China and many European built products that contain mostly Chinese made components. Europe has a few large companies that also built very cheap and poor quality products. A good company will have good Quality Control and *should* ensure similar quality no matter where it is built.

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#2852744 18-Jan-2022 11:22

phrozenpenguin: Dratsab that is also an option for us I think. Have you used the meat probe?

I have, twice. haven't done a lot of roasts to be honest and generally just rely on time.

We use the timer (in the touchscreen area between the dials) quite a bit, and a couple of different options on the function dial but not really much else. Another thing I like is that the temp dial can be pushed in once the temp is set which stops 'accidental' changes. Pyrolitic cleaning function runs over about 2.5 hours.

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#2852807 18-Jan-2022 13:08

phrozenpenguin:

- Pyroletic seems a good thing - some you can leave rails etc in, some you can't

I think this sounds like an amazing add on to have, but my oven appliance repairer told me to avoid them like the plague, he sees loads of problems with these ovens.

Personally i'd probably risk it because it seems like a great feature, but thought it was worth mentioning. Has anyone else discussed this feature with a repair person?

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#2852835 18-Jan-2022 13:59

I wouldn't be without pyro-clean, now. But you do need your oven to be close to the range hood, or to have plenty of windows open.

We have to remove all the chromey stuff in ours for pyro clean - racks and runners. But that's a 2 minute job. Quicker than spraying two ovens with oven cleaner.

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#2852866 18-Jan-2022 14:17

I have never used the self-cleaning function on my oven, so this thread has motivated me to have a look at the handbook to see how it works.

From what I just read, it sounds like it takes at least three hours, consumes a huge amount of electricity, and generates a scary amount of heat.

Is it not easier to just spend ten minutes cleaning the thing manually? What am I missing?

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#2852891 18-Jan-2022 14:32

alasta:
I have never used the self-cleaning function on my oven, so this thread has motivated me to have a look at the handbook to see how it works.

From what I just read, it sounds like it takes at least three hours, consumes a huge amount of electricity, and generates a scary amount of heat.

Is it not easier to just spend ten minutes cleaning the thing manually? What am I missing?

What are you missing? Nothing as far as I can see.

Pyro cleaning is nothing new. All the old coal ranges had it.

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