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#3231669 17-May-2024 10:50

Not everything is available streaming.

I had to connect an antenna to watch some live sports a few months ago, it was that or watch it delayed streaming.

We also had a UFB outage in our area for two days so we had to use the antenna to watch TV.

There is still a case for watching TV.

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#3231670 17-May-2024 10:53

allio:

I'm surprised how quick people are to recommend dropping DVB-T for streaming for people who actually watch TV. There is a huge quality gap. The bitrate of 1080i OTA is about 10Mbps with streaming closer to 2Mbps last I checked. It's also 50fps vs 25fps and 5.1 Dolby vs 2.0 AAC. It's worse in every way. I have my tvheadend setup to fall back to streaming if I ever run out of free tuners and it's immediately noticeable whenever it happens.

I agree, we use streaming as a replacement for terestial transmission in our house but we watch about an hour of linear FTA TV per week. Its fine for our use case but if I was consuming more linear FTA TV I would definitely have an aerial installed.

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#3231681 17-May-2024 11:57

There is still something to be said for the efficiency of a 'broadcast' signal over 'individual' internet delivery.
i.e. delivering data once to 'everybody' rather than delivering a million copies of the data to a million consumers.

Yes, the problem is mitigated by having CDNs, but it is still there.

The fibre network could be used for 'broadcast' - I recall there was an investigation into it a few years ago, but I don't think anything has come of it yet?

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#3231900 17-May-2024 15:44

It's a bit tricky as even the tenancy site states:

"If a property's not set up to receive digital TV, they don’t have to install or upgrade equipment to receive it."

But in your case, it was already installed but they removed it. Pretty sure they cannot remove it without an agreement with tenants.

"The landlord can't withhold their permission without a good reason." I guess leaking is a good reason, no?

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#3231943 17-May-2024 17:42

If the bodycorp are just worried about leaks from an antenna and aerial installer, they need to get a new installer.

This can easily be pre run cable wise and the water proofers give some ware for the antenna and dish to be installed. I have done some commercial installs, it is not hard.

It takes more time co-ordernating these sorts of things rather than the install itself.

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#3231956 17-May-2024 19:18

Jvipers2: It's a bit tricky as even the tenancy site states:

"If a property's not set up to receive digital TV, they don’t have to install or upgrade equipment to receive it."

But in your case, it was already installed but they removed it. Pretty sure they cannot remove it without an agreement with tenants.

"The landlord can't withhold their permission without a good reason." I guess leaking is a good reason, no?

If the body corp removed it (or approved its removal), this has nothing to do with the landlord. In the case where a body corp exists, the landlord cannot override the BC's decisions/actions in relation to maintenance of the building because the landlord doesn't own the building - the landlord only owns a unit within the building. The body corp can essentially do what they like - they generally have no contractual relationship with unit tenants, except for ensuring tenants adhere to the body corp rules eg no pets, no parties etc. Even so, the BC usually enforces those rules with the unit owner, not the tenant directly.

IANAL so don't take my opinion as fact, but I did own a rental in a building managed by a body corp for many years. It didn't matter how much I personally consented to fibre - the decision rested with the body corp as owner/manager of the building and there was nothing I as an individual unit owner could do about it other than lobby at body corp meetings.

If I were the landlord in this scenario and it went to tenancy tribunal, I'd simply argue I didn't remove the antenna, the body corp did. Case closed.

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#3231959 17-May-2024 20:00

one of the problems with apartments is if they do not provide a common aerial/sat system is that every apartment does their own, often poorly especially with rentals.

its not hard to put a proper system in without leaks.

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#3231968 17-May-2024 20:21

Travelling in Italy it always amused me that apartment dwellers hung their washing out the windows while on the roof there'd be about 40 aerials covered in pigeons crapping everywhere.

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#3231975 17-May-2024 20:39

Thanks for all the replies, some very helpful ones in here.

I think maybe I didn't quite make my earlier point clear enough: thanks for the suggestions saying "you can just stream everything". I am aware of this however I am already setup for streaming, I'm not looking to do streaming - I'm trying to get FTA TV reception.

I haven't talked to the other neighbours about the TV reception yet as we don't really know each other very well and I don't see them very often - but will make a point to do so.

I have a feeling no one else has Sky (for example) as I imagine that if anyone did they would be already on the phone to Sky jumping up and down complaining about a lack of signal, and Sky would have sent a tech to install a dish already.

My options are probably going to be:

aerial install under roof (this replacement roof is steel so I dunno how well this will work)
internal aerial (might have a look at what Jaycar and/or Harvey Norman have to offer - will make sure I can get my money back if no go)
the body corporate chair suggested getting an aerial for each property, but that would still involve drilling to install it outside. I suggested installing an aerial/dish on the side of the property as opposed to the roof but got the impression it would have the same issue, ie, holes being drilled into the building, watertightness issue returns in another location

Not sure about the legalities of it that someone mentioned - yes, when I moved into the property there was an aerial but it has since been removed, so I dunno if the body corporate are obliged to reinstate it or not, although it sounds like "no we won't" is a done deal already.

Thanks again, will probably start with looking at the internal aerial options over the weekend and go from there, I think.

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#3231976 17-May-2024 20:40

Also surprised so many people as suggesting streaming.

We have an issue with our UHF antenna at the moment, and for linear broadcast purposes, juggling several streaming apps is just not as seamless as UHF TV.

There used to be Vodafone TV which would essentially deliver broadcast TV over fiber, But that has gone belly up now.

As per the 2nd post, if you are a tenant, your landlord is obligated to repair & maintain the Digital TV equipment. Issue a 14 day notice to remedy.

If you own, I would push the body corp to maintain UHF TV service. While broadcast TV may be becoming less popular is is far from obsolete.

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#3233305 21-May-2024 19:58

Right, had a quick talk to the BC chair. I must be an outlier as he said no one else has raised it. There are people with Sky in the building, but apparently they use the streaming service, not the dish version.

I suggested fastening the aerial/dish to the side of the building so as to not compromise the roof, however he said this would cause issues with future body corporate committees, as they would apparently need to do inspections and it sounds like a lot of bureaucratic work.

So, it looks like my best option for FTA will be using an indoors antenna. Can someone suggest a good Jaycar (or similar) where I could ask what to expect with one of these things, and also if there's a money-back guarantee if it doesn't work?

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#3233310 21-May-2024 20:11

It's not really possible to predict how an indoor will behave without some clues like approximate address, distance to tower, and what tower and even then just a matter of experimenting and then binning it?? Do you have LoS??

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#3233326 21-May-2024 21:54

Sort of but not really (this is to the Sky Tower). I guess I'll just have to see.

I do have a pair of the old rabbits ears somewhere but they were last used for VHF reception, so my guess is they would be no good for UHF, even just to see what the signal is like.

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#3233329 21-May-2024 22:12

Shorten it down and give it a go. In Wellington with clear line of sight from Strathmore to Kau Kau i hardly needed an aerial at all.

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#3233340 22-May-2024 07:05

quickymart:

Sort of but not really (this is to the Sky Tower). I guess I'll just have to see.

I do have a pair of the old rabbits ears somewhere but they were last used for VHF reception, so my guess is they would be no good for UHF, even just to see what the signal is like.

Sky tower is very low power infill. I would test with the rabbit ears you have.

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