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#3242320 29-May-2024 14:50

I agree with the inline for noise control. I have F&P (I wouldn't buy again) - 90cm built to into cabinet. It had fancy glass cover I removed as it was just restricting the air flow. To the vent was another 4metres or longer and facing north (we get lots of northerlies in Welly) so added inline blower which was around $400. Most of time unless I am cooking steak - I just use the inline blower and not bother with F&P extraction fan. That's what I would do again if I renovating. Need dual fan set up for proper extraction.

Just a get a cheap one for hygienic reasons; but make sure the canopy is bigger/wider than your stove / gas burner.

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#3242330 29-May-2024 15:10

johno1234:

Interested to know if/how they will clean the elephant trunk flexible ducting, the squirrel cage etc. Or perhaps they will just remove and clean the filters and wipe out inside the hood on the filter side of the blower.

I'll post on Friday once I talk to the guy.

To the people saying "get this super expensive fancy model", that's not what I want right now. Current one is fine, just needs cleaning or replacing. When we do the full remodel then yes, we'll get a better one.

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#3242395 29-May-2024 20:56

Elephant tube is cheap and replaceable. It is a source of horrible noise. Semi-rigid ducting I had no idea.. wow!

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#3242449 29-May-2024 22:28

Insanekiwi:

I agree with the inline for noise control. I have F&P (I wouldn't buy again) - 90cm built to into cabinet. It had fancy glass cover I removed as it was just restricting the air flow.

At the risk of thread-cr@pping, we’re also in the market for a new rangehood, and have been planning on getting one that sound suspiciously like the one described here - @Insanekiwi: is the one you’ve got this model or similar? https://www.priceme.co.nz/Fisher-Paykel-HP90IDCHX4/p-917982663.aspx. Would you really not recommend it? (We’re not exactly big grillers of steaks, given most of us are vege, so may not be needing the performance you require!)

As far as one can trust Consumer’s reviews, it does come out pretty well in that, so disappointing to hear it may not be all that great.

If anyone has recommendations for 90cm (or so) built-in/power pack rangehoods I’d love to hear them’; we’re looking at spending ideally no more than around $1500 (noting should be ok prices this coming long weekend) - happy to have them via DM if worried about diverting the original focus of this thread.

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#3242455 29-May-2024 22:42

Of the four linked to in the original post, only one is included in Consumer’s results; it comes out pretty well, though the screenshot below is in ducted mode; in a recirculation set-up it gets slightly lower.

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#3242551 30-May-2024 08:56

jonathan18:

Insanekiwi:

I agree with the inline for noise control. I have F&P (I wouldn't buy again) - 90cm built to into cabinet. It had fancy glass cover I removed as it was just restricting the air flow.

At the risk of thread-cr@pping, we’re also in the market for a new rangehood, and have been planning on getting one that sound suspiciously like the one described here - @Insanekiwi: is the one you’ve got this model or similar? https://www.priceme.co.nz/Fisher-Paykel-HP90IDCHX4/p-917982663.aspx. Would you really not recommend it? (We’re not exactly big grillers of steaks, given most of us are vege, so may not be needing the performance you require!)

As far as one can trust Consumer’s reviews, it does come out pretty well in that, so disappointing to hear it may not be all that great.

If anyone has recommendations for 90cm (or so) built-in/power pack rangehoods I’d love to hear them’; we’re looking at spending ideally no more than around $1500 (noting should be ok prices this coming long weekend) - happy to have them via DM if worried about diverting the original focus of this thread.

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The model you are looking at superseded the one we have. Unless they changed the unit drastically it would not be that amazing unless your exit vent is very close by. It was too noisy for me and giving me headaches. Does it have to be built in to the cabinets? If I am building a new kitchen again - I would be looking at the canopy style that is wider (if you can get 120cm for example) than the top. Also mounting is important so that it is ideal to be directly above but it does mean that cabinet sticks out a bit and can be annoying with your head bumping into it. So what I did was to get the extractor fan (in-line) which is mounted closer to the exit vent and I generally run that which means there is minimal noise above the head and really does its job properly. Obviously if you want the maximum power run both F&P fan + extractor fan.

I think it really depends on your kitchen design and how long and where your vent is.

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#3242557 30-May-2024 08:58

For example if I had to choose one for my kitchen again from F&P - I would choose something like this.

Wall Rangehood, 120cm, Box Chimney | Fisher & Paykel Australia (fisherpaykel.com)

We have 60cm induction / 30cm gas cooking.

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#3242673 30-May-2024 11:56

We had a Fisher & Paykel standalone 60cm at our old house and that thing was was loud. Even on the lowest setting you couldn't really have a conversation next to it. Only benefit was that it was great for getting the baby to sleep, way better than a white noise machine!

At our new house we got a Bosch 86cm in-built unit (this one) and it's far, far better. On the lowest setting (which is enough for everything except steak/burgers/wok cooking) it's a low hum. I often forget to turn it off. So in my experience there's a benefit from paying a bit more than the cheapest ones, but you don't need to step all the way up to the priciest ones models with the physically distant fan in order to have acceptable noise levels.

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#3242693 30-May-2024 12:41

allio:

At our new house we got a Bosch 86cm in-built unit (this one) and it's far, far better. On the lowest setting (which is enough for everything except steak/burgers/wok cooking) it's a low hum. I often forget to turn it off. So in my experience there's a benefit from paying a bit more than the cheapest ones, but you don't need to step all the way up to the priciest ones models with the physically distant fan in order to have acceptable noise levels.

i have my doubts at how well that one actually works.

the vent around the edge type typically flow poorly. also as its a integrated model, its using the cabinet as the hood. funny enough their own pic of it installed shows it installed poorly. this is what i don't like, people installing them badly to make the kitchen pretty. they show the height rules but don't mention that it needs to over the hob for it to actually work properly. so very common to get them pushed back away from the hob. in which case you might as well just buy the cheapest thing and not use it.

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#3242704 30-May-2024 13:31

tweake:

i have my doubts at how well that one actually works.

the vent around the edge type typically flow poorly. also as its a integrated model, its using the cabinet as the hood. funny enough their own pic of it installed shows it installed poorly. this is what i don't like, people installing them badly to make the kitchen pretty. they show the height rules but don't mention that it needs to over the hob for it to actually work properly. so very common to get them pushed back away from the hob. in which case you might as well just buy the cheapest thing and not use it.

Fair enough but I can only share my own experience, which is that it works extremely well on the lowest setting. At least as well and likely better than the cacophonous F&P.

I don't quite understand what you mean about the photo. It's directly over the hob at about the typical height. How would you push a rangehood back away from the hob when the hob is usually installed against a wall?

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#3242708 30-May-2024 13:42

Thanks for the posts re larger rangehoods, and I'd welcome more feedback and thoughts!

Yeah, we believe we do need to go for a built-in model: the ducting has to run along the top of the cupboards as it needs to exit out the wall at the top of the ceiling, as opposed to going up into the roofspace then out, thanks to a low roofline at that point. I do get the point re the shallowness of these vs a canopy model, and perhaps if we'd thought about this earlier we'd have been able to look at it, but it's probably too late in terms of the plans (and sorting out an exit point) to change now.

We did look at that Bosch linked above - the main thing going for it was I know it's a decent amount quieter, but if the Consumer review of this vs the F&P is to be believed, the F&P performs quite a bit better. The F&P also has better lighting, which is important in our location.

I had initially wondered about going for a cheaper model like this Haier or this Westinghouse, but haven't found much on them in terms of reviews and overall performance. Can anyone provide feedback on either these or similar ones? (ie, models that have open grills as opposed to sucking air around a solid panel.) Many thanks.

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#3242713 30-May-2024 14:01

allio:

I don't quite understand what you mean about the photo. It's directly over the hob at about the typical height. How would you push a rangehood back away from the hob when the hob is usually installed against a wall?

I think this bird's eye view of our kitchen's design will provide an example of the problem I believe he's highlighting: the cupboards (into which the rangehood is built) are 470 deep, whereas the bench below that houses the hob is 700. The hob itself is 520 deep, so it's likely some of it (or at least the cookwear) is going to sit proud of the rangehood, even if installed as far back as it can go.

At least the hob we're going with has its two more powerful burners in the middle (as opposed to the dumb design of some that have the wok burner in the back - not many people have the bench depth to provide for a substantial gap to the rear wall), plus has the controls at the front not the side (so sit a bit further back anyway).

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#3242714 30-May-2024 14:11

jonathan18:

I think this bird's eye view of our kitchen's design will provide an example of the problem I believe he's highlighting: the cupboards (into which the rangehood is built) are 470 deep, whereas the bench below that houses the hob is 700. The hob itself is 520 deep, so it's likely some of it (or at least the cookwear) is going to sit proud of the rangehood, even if installed as far back as it can go.

At least the hob we're going with has its two more powerful burners in the middle (as opposed to the dumb design of some that have the wok burner in the back - not many people have the bench depth to provide for a substantial gap to the rear wall), plus has the controls at the front not the side (so sit a bit further back anyway).

Ah yep, got it now. In that case we certainly have the same issue with our install, though again the performance seems perfectly fine in practice. Our main burners are at the front and the front intake vent of the hood is approximately centered over the main burner, maybe a little back. Certainly could be better (you wouldn't design an commercial kitchen that way) but residentially everything involves at least some amount of compromise.

The F&P looks like a good option - trading a little noise for significantly better performance.

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#3242715 30-May-2024 14:19

jonathan18:

allio:

I don't quite understand what you mean about the photo. It's directly over the hob at about the typical height. How would you push a rangehood back away from the hob when the hob is usually installed against a wall?

I think this bird's eye view of our kitchen's design will provide an example of the problem I believe he's highlighting: the cupboards (into which the rangehood is built) are 470 deep, whereas the bench below that houses the hob is 700. The hob itself is 520 deep, so it's likely some of it (or at least the cookwear) is going to sit proud of the rangehood (depending on how close it's installed to the back wall).

very good pic which shows it well. the cabinets do not stick out far enough. add to that many people install the hobs to the front as much as possible. so its ever further away from the cabinets. even worse, they push back the hood vents to the wall (notice how thin the bosh unit is). that means the actual suction part is even further away. and it gets worse as many don't put the strips under the cabinets so the whole length of the cabinet is the hood, ie the airflow comes from the two sides where there is no hob. so it sucks in air, but not the stuff coming out of the pots etc.

this is a very common "award winning kitchen" fail. tho even worse is the downdraft type, or even worse still the recirc type (which should be banned).

also remember that the vapors etc coming from the hob do not go straight up, they go up and out at an angle. so you really want the range hood to be wider and further out than the hob. eg use a 800mm hood on a 600mm hob. is its sized correctly you do not need high flow (and noisy fans) to achieve good a result.

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#3242716 30-May-2024 14:33

I've had some experience with this as my mother can't stand loud rangehoods.
I'm pretty much the same but don't have the money to play with to sort it 🤣

https://www.awardappliances.co.nz/product/cho82-90si-90cm-low-noise-canopy-hood

My parents have installed the above style in two separate homes now, so just throwing it out there that there are options that are quieter (whilst still performing for the most part) but as others have said they're not as cheap.

https://www.noelleeming.co.nz/p/award-70cm-low-noise-canopy-rangehoof/N228920.html might be one I should get for my smaller space come to think of it 🤔
Look for the "Low Noise" tag specifically.

Also a big hi to @timmmay and @jonathan18 too, a few long time users I haven't crossed paths with in several years.

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