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  #3247017 10-Jun-2024 15:59
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johno1234: Be a hell of a job in some Auckland volcanic locations. E.g. in Mt Eden some streets are basically rock.

Aren’t most houses grounded twice: once by the ground wire back to the pole and once be the earth rod?

Our earth wire at Whangamatā broke off in a storm and it was quite dangerous. The lines company came over promptly and replaced it but commented that the earth rods in the area are in dry sand and make poor earth sinks leaving the house ungrounded.


Not exactly. Earth rods are so much higher resistance than the copper/aluminium neutral that you get dangerous touch voltages with even relatively small loads.

If you have a ten ohm earth stake, even ten amps means 100V.

A girl in Western Australia got pretty serious lifelong injuries a few years ago because of a broen service neutral.

The reason you don't see it more often is that neutrals don't fail that often, most people call a sparky or the lines company when the power starts to flicker, and people don't often get a solid connection to both mains earth and a true earth. An earthed garden two while standing in a puddle tends to be the highest risk situation, though EVs are potentially posing more risks.

Replacing an earth stake is absolutely PEW and not covered by the homeowner exemptions. The only impact of it being low or high risk work is whether it also needs an inspector.




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  #3247033 10-Jun-2024 17:11
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Any work on the main earthing system is outside the homeowners exemption - this work must be done by an electrician.

 

As far as replacing the main earth electrode, use the 2m galv earth rod that you get from electrical supply companies, don't use the copper coated ones as these are only 1.8m and are not compliant for use on installations, the network companies use these.

 

As far as high risk or not, some say yes, some say no. I would put it on the electrician doing the work to decide and they carry the risk if something happens and it was deemed it needed inspection and it wasn't done.

 

 


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  #3247093 10-Jun-2024 21:51
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neb:

 

It's not actually a replacement but just adding a second one alongside the existing one which seems dodgy.  Not sure if that affects things.

 

 

Earth rods need to be outside the 'area of influence' of each other to have any beneficial effect. Generally that means a 2m deep rod needs to be 2m horizontally away from the neighbouring rod.

 

A more scientific method is to measure the earth impedance of the current rod and associated soil etc. before deciding action is required. Measuring that is a little specialised. How many electricians will have something like this ($6k) ?

 

https://www.fluke.com/en/product/electrical-testing/earth-ground/fluke-1623-2-kit

 

Easier to bang in a known good one and be done with it.

 

If I was a qualified to do this, I would be measuring current in the earthing system with a clamp on before doing anything .

 

 





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