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  #2709130 18-May-2021 17:59
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I didn't see any video. Can you post a link directly to it?



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  #2709147 18-May-2021 18:42
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eracode:

 

 

I have the Marley version. It's a terrible design. Fine debris accumulates and causes the filter to give way into the downpipe. Alternately, water pressure plus debris will cause weight to be applied with the same result. Terrible failure mode. Bad design execution. Regular cleaning does not prevent issues.

 

I watch the linked video linked above and thought that this looks very good - but also thought that the supplied mesh looked way too fine. 

Would it work better if the mesh was replaced with something like a 10 x 10 mm metal or plastic mesh? Then leaves would still get stopped - without clogging - but the water would get through.

 

 

 

I have all those leaf filters as I’m surrounded by trees and on tank water. The Leaf Eater Original was prone to clogging on the secondary fine mesh filter, but it’s now been updated and replaced by the Leaf Eater Plus which works really well!

 

https://www.mitre10.co.nz/shop/rain-harvesting-leaf-eater-plus-rain-head-90mm-white/p/372709

 


The Marley Curve is okay, but it spills about 10% of the water passing through it, so it’s really only useful for short gutters.


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  #2709368 18-May-2021 23:27
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Bung: I've not found anything that really saves you having to clear the gutters regularly. Anything that stops leaves seems to clog up. To make cleaning easier I've changed some gutters to external brackets and put downpipes at both ends.

 

 

Beat me to it: External brackets, redundant downpipes, and leaf catchers on the downpipes. Then you just sluice out the guttering once or twice a year and you're done.



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  #2709375 19-May-2021 00:07
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Batman: Looking for ideas.

Have a 2 storey house and the fence is almost under the gutters.

So I can't get any ladder up there to clean.

Help!

 

 

If you're going to go with the easy-clean gutter option you don't need to go up there with a ladder, you can get J-shaped attachments for hoses where you just flush out the leaves and gunk and you walk down the side of the house where the gutter is.

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  #2709376 19-May-2021 00:10
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Eva888: That looks an interesting idea. Do you have one yourself, or does anyone? As you say, would it allow enough flow to move wet leaves if the gutter is not on a slant.

 

 

Got some for the Casa redo but haven't had them long enough for a full rain/leaf test. Ping me again in a couple of months, clogged gutters were a problem here due to proximity to pohutukawa and pine trees, pine being the worst offender.

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  #2709480 19-May-2021 09:18
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In my opinion one problem with most gutters is they don't have enough fall. They may have the recommended minimum fall but that in my opinion isn't enough to get that water flowing properly along the gutter. If the water flows well most debris will be flushed out into the down pipe.

 

The flip side is that external gutters with plenty of fall can look a but odd as the fall will be noticeable against the barge board which will be level with the house. Also on long runs there often isn't enough vertical space on the barge board (or where ever the gutter is fixed) to allow for a decent fall.





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  #2709501 19-May-2021 10:03
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That might take some experimenting. I've found that my gutters fill with sand regardless of fall. You need a hose to get the sand moving. Sewer pipes have a recommended fall because you can have situations where the water leaves the solids behind. Rain isn't rationed like toilet flushing but something similar could happen. More fall on the gutter also would remove the protection the face of the gutter gives to the end of the roofing iron. I have relatively flat roofs so have used Flowline for its high front face. I have some Classic that dropped low enough to need an extra bit glued on.


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  #2709538 19-May-2021 11:23
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gzt:
I have the Marley version. It's a terrible design. Fine debris accumulates and causes the filter to give way into the downpipe. Alternately, water pressure plus debris will cause weight to be applied with the same result. Terrible failure mode. Bad design execution. Regular cleaning does not prevent issues.

 

Did you know they have a new screen out that retrofits onto the old Leaf Eater boxes?   I'm about to order one.  https://rainharvesting.com.au/products/rain-heads/clean-shield-screen-leaf-eater/

 

It replaces the two original outer and inner screens with the single outer screen that is made of the fine mesh.  According to them it 'vibrates' a bit when water hits it and helps shake the leaves off better than the old outer screen.

 

 


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  #2709540 19-May-2021 11:26
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Found this and it looks like a really good idea to me!  It runs a pipe inside your gutters that has small jets that you use to flush out your gutters.

 

https://guttersolutionz.co.nz/clip-n-flush-system.html

 

 


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  #2709684 19-May-2021 15:22
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duckDecoy:

 

Found this and it looks like a really good idea to me!  It runs a pipe inside your gutters that has small jets that you use to flush out your gutters.

 

https://guttersolutionz.co.nz/clip-n-flush-system.html

 

 

 

 

i bet you thats expensive


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  #2709686 19-May-2021 15:29
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gzt:
I have the Marley version. It's a terrible design. Fine debris accumulates and causes the filter to give way into the downpipe. Alternately, water pressure plus debris will cause weight to be applied with the same result. Terrible failure mode. Bad design execution. Regular cleaning does not prevent issues.

 

Did you know they have a new screen out that retrofits onto the old Leaf Eater boxes?   I'm about to order one.  https://rainharvesting.com.au/products/rain-heads/clean-shield-screen-leaf-eater/

 

It replaces the two original outer and inner screens with the single outer screen that is made of the fine mesh.  According to them it 'vibrates' a bit when water hits it and helps shake the leaves off better than the old outer screen.

 

 

 

 

 

 

What about the 'ultra' version, which has a cover? 


 
 
 
 

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  #2709693 19-May-2021 15:41
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mattwnz:

 

What about the 'ultra' version, which has a cover? 

 

 

Seems fine.  But the version I linked to fits an existing unit (that we have) and fixes its dreadful design problems.  I'd prefer to try a $21 solution than to cut out my existing leaf eater and install and paint a new one.


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  #2710358 20-May-2021 21:11
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neb: Got some for the Casa redo but haven't had them long enough for a full rain/leaf test. Ping me again in a couple of months, clogged gutters were a problem here due to proximity to pohutukawa and pine trees, pine being the worst offender.

 

 

Just checked them today and they've diverting quite a few leaves, I had no idea we were flushing so many leaves into the drains before they were fitted. I was also somewhat miffed that the builders put them at about chest height where they're rather visible but now I can see why, it makes it very easy to see and swipe out the leaves in them.

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  #2710891 21-May-2021 16:31
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neb: Got some for the Casa redo but haven't had them long enough for a full rain/leaf test. Ping me again in a couple of months, clogged gutters were a problem here due to proximity to pohutukawa and pine trees, pine being the worst offender.
Just checked them today and they've diverting quite a few leaves, I had no idea we were flushing so many leaves into the drains before they were fitted. I was also somewhat miffed that the builders put them at about chest height where they're rather visible but now I can see why, it makes it very easy to see and swipe out the leaves in them.

 

 

 

Would having them lower create more splashing from water dropping onto the grill from a higher level onto them? I thank only seen them installed higher up. 


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  #2711101 21-May-2021 22:21
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mattwnz:

Would having them lower create more splashing from water dropping onto the grill from a higher level onto them? I thank only seen them installed higher up. 

 

 

Good question, I'll investigate at the next downpour. Intuition would say no, if you look at the photos it widens out quite a bit where the leaf diverter is so water running down the sides will spread out across the diverter rather than falling down the centre of the downpipe and splashing a lot, but it'll be interesting to see what happens at the next downpour. They've actually installed it exactly as per the Marley videos (see the link), so you'd expect Marley have designed/tested it for that setup. OTOH on a different tab they talk about adding bends before the diverter to reduce flow velocity, so who knows...

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