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  #2891172 24-Mar-2022 09:35
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networkn:

 

Ok, and the answer presented itself. The guy who came in last week wants $2500 to plaster and paint the ensuite!!

 

If we extrapolate that out to the 12 rooms in our home and the fact almost every room in the house is considerably bigger, conservatively it could be $30-40K for him to do this work (we have asked and will see). Basically, I could hire someone for 80K a year to do this and they could take 6 months working 40 hours a week for that kind of money!

 

Obviously, there would be materials to subtract from that, but wowsers.

 

We will need to get some additional quotes.

 

 

Obviously I don't know the detail of the quote or your situation, so please treat the following as observations:

 

  • Small discrete jobs usually carry a premium. If you're doing several rooms, there is always something to do in one room while (say) the paint dries in another. Rather than go for smoko or twiddle your thumbs. 12 rooms should - hopefully - not be the price of 1 room * 12;
  • The time spent painting and plastering does not scale with the size of the room. You/a tradesperson will spend a massively disproportionate amount of time doing the fiddly bits - around doors, the windows, and the corners. And it sounds like you will need extra prep time in these areas too, if they are your problem areas. But the time spent doing a large stretch of plain wall will only be marginally more than the time spent doing a small stretch of plain wall. Bathrooms are usually quite fiddly at the best of times (and still - typically at least - have the standard 4 corners, ceiling and floor 😃);
  • $80K a year is approx $40 an hour. Plastering (and maybe to a slightly lesser degree painting) is a skilled job, verging on - to me at least - an art form. I suspect you will get a _significantly_ higher quality finish paying $X to an experienced pro to do it in a couple of weeks than paying that same $X to a two thumbed grunt @$40 an hour and giving them months. Trades are becoming increasingly skilled with new techniques and specialist tools and hourly rates are going up to match the capex invested in getting to that point. $40 is probably apprentice digging a hole, mixing concrete and sweeping the site money nowadays;
  • It sounds like your job is at least somewhat complicated/complex, or at least outside the standard fill-the-nail-holes-and-slap-two-coats-of-paint-on. I suspect you will need to pay for someone with expertise (i.e. you're not paying for just the time spent on your job, but the previous 20 years of experience too).



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  #2891439 24-Mar-2022 16:01
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mdf:

 

Obviously I don't know the detail of the quote or your situation, so please treat the following as observations:

 

  • Small discrete jobs usually carry a premium. If you're doing several rooms, there is always something to do in one room while (say) the paint dries in another. Rather than go for smoko or twiddle your thumbs. 12 rooms should - hopefully - not be the price of 1 room * 12;
  • The time spent painting and plastering does not scale with the size of the room. You/a tradesperson will spend a massively disproportionate amount of time doing the fiddly bits - around doors, the windows, and the corners. And it sounds like you will need extra prep time in these areas too, if they are your problem areas. But the time spent doing a large stretch of plain wall will only be marginally more than the time spent doing a small stretch of plain wall. Bathrooms are usually quite fiddly at the best of times (and still - typically at least - have the standard 4 corners, ceiling and floor 😃);
  • $80K a year is approx $40 an hour. Plastering (and maybe to a slightly lesser degree painting) is a skilled job, verging on - to me at least - an art form. I suspect you will get a _significantly_ higher quality finish paying $X to an experienced pro to do it in a couple of weeks than paying that same $X to a two thumbed grunt @$40 an hour and giving them months. Trades are becoming increasingly skilled with new techniques and specialist tools and hourly rates are going up to match the capex invested in getting to that point. $40 is probably apprentice digging a hole, mixing concrete and sweeping the site money nowadays;
  • It sounds like your job is at least somewhat complicated/complex, or at least outside the standard fill-the-nail-holes-and-slap-two-coats-of-paint-on. I suspect you will need to pay for someone with expertise (i.e. you're not paying for just the time spent on your job, but the previous 20 years of experience too).

 

 

 

Yeah, the point I was making was that 80K a year prorata was quite a lot. Even 3 months which would be $80 an hour, would still be a fair amount of time to do a house. 

 

I just need to go and get a couple more quotes and see what shakes out. It was the plasterer/painter who said he wanted to do the bathroom first so he could show us the work and we could ensure it's what we wanted. 


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  #2891503 24-Mar-2022 17:59
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That $2500 does seem expensive.  Have a look on builder's crack and post your job.

 

That being said small plastering jobs often take just as long as large jobs.

 

Travel time, setting up, tool cleaning, cleaning up dust all take a similar amount of time for a small job as for a large job. 







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  #2892799 27-Mar-2022 15:40
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You will pay more if you re-GIB. I don't know how big your room is. Mine is 3.5 m x 2.5mx 2m with two windows. It took 5 days. I paid $1400 for sealing, skimming and painting. My ceiling is half shiplap and half GIB so only the GIB wall I required to be painted. Windows and door jamb were also painted. I stripped the wallpaper myself. Not a fun job but I was not in a rush so I decided to do it myself to save $.  

 

The problem with my house is that it moves. When the season changed, the same line crack above the door appeared. This is my problem with my house. I can't do much, it's an 80's house on piles. What I did with the line crack is just put a DIY arts sign board above my door to hide the cosmetic imperfection. 


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  #2892803 27-Mar-2022 15:50
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I did the skim coating of my sand textured hallway in December. Again, I was not on schedule so I took my time. It took me 1 week to get it done. It was my first time skim coating and even if it was trial and error, I got the result that I wanted and was satisfied. I just learned through YouTube. Sanding is the killer.   


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  #2892809 27-Mar-2022 15:59
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chez: Sanding is the killer. 

 

The resulting divorce dust is the killer!


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  #2892889 27-Mar-2022 19:00
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Just saw an interesting approach from my neighbours who are currently redoing their living room via skimmed previous-wall, instead of the usual x coats of acrylic they're using x-1 coats acrylic and then a final coat in the same shade of waterborne enamel for durability.

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