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Topic # 125708 16-Jul-2013 21:36
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Can anyone recommend a good source of IC-F downlight fittings which can have insulation installed round and on top of them. These fittings need to take E27 (edison screw) conventional bulbs, although I do intend to install CFL bulbs initially in them, I will install LEDs eventually.

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  Reply # 857803 17-Jul-2013 00:51
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I did come across this one, although not IC-F, just IC. But it says 'this product is disabled' which is a bit weird. Makes me wonder if there is something wrong with it
http://www.nzlightingltd.co.nz/shop/Interior+Light+Fittings/Standard+Downlights+-+Energy+Efficient/Ecolite+Sealed+IC+Rated++Downlight.html

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  Reply # 857821 17-Jul-2013 07:22
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I used the LED Lucci ones from lighting direct. They work well, IC-F, and there's a dimmable model now.




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  Reply # 857973 17-Jul-2013 11:42
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Not many choices atm especially if you are looking at more common 100~105 mm cut out size.

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  Reply # 858035 17-Jul-2013 13:35
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I also replaced our kitchen lights with the Lucci ones. Had to get adapters because needing the larger size but they look fine. I have had one fail but was replaced by Lighting direct without question and forward replacement even.







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  Reply # 858049 17-Jul-2013 13:51
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Thanks. The lucci ones appear to be a combined fitting and bulb. Is this correct. eg if the bulb fails, you have to replace the whole fitting, or can you buy the bulb separately. My concern with this based on other LED lights like this, is finding parts in 10 years that fit, without replacing all the fittings so they match. My experience with some of these large chain lighting stores, is that some of the house brand bulbs they sell seem to fail very quickly.

With the Lucci ones, being IC, do they specify the insulation you can use. IC-F you can use anything, but I beleive IC, the insulation type is restricted


I did come across this one, which looks like the same model that I linked to above. http://halcyonlights.co.nz/fluorescent/r633-w Which fits E27 energy saver CFLs as well as E27 LED bulbs, which you can now pick up phillips E27 bulbs for abut $20. The fittings are around $30,which makes it about $50 for a IC Light fitting, with a user replaceable bulb that has the driver built in. The other benefit with these is you can install wifi bulbs in the fittings, which you can't do with the lucci types. My issue with this one is that there doesn't appear to be many other fittings like it, as I was looking for an entirely silver fitting.

Am also using pendant lights but you need quite a high powered LED for those.


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  Reply # 858050 17-Jul-2013 13:52
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Can thoroughly recommend these, we had them installed in our lounge and they are awesome and look really stylish too:

http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl

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  Reply # 858051 17-Jul-2013 13:53
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mattwnz: Thanks. The lucci ones appear to be a combined fitting and bulb. Is this correct. eg if the bulb fails, you have to replace the whole fitting, or can you buy the bulb separately. My concern with this based on other LED lights like this, is finding parts in 10 years that fit, without replacing all the fittings so they match. My experience with some of these large chain lighting stores, is that some of the house brand bulbs they sell seem to fail very quickly.


If you buy a $60 light fitting and it lasts ten years you're not doing so badly. If it fails, replace it.




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  Reply # 858054 17-Jul-2013 14:00
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timmmay:
mattwnz: Thanks. The lucci ones appear to be a combined fitting and bulb. Is this correct. eg if the bulb fails, you have to replace the whole fitting, or can you buy the bulb separately. My concern with this based on other LED lights like this, is finding parts in 10 years that fit, without replacing all the fittings so they match. My experience with some of these large chain lighting stores, is that some of the house brand bulbs they sell seem to fail very quickly.


If you buy a $60 light fitting and it lasts ten years you're not doing so badly. If it fails, replace it.


The cost isn't the problem. It is the availability of the fitting to match it when it needs replacing. eg colour and light could strength, size etc. Lights need to match. You will also likely get a few that will fail well before then I would expect. Not unless you kept a stock of spares on hand. 
Also the hassle of actually having to take the entire fitting out of the ceiling and rewire it, which I presume should only be carried out by a qualified electrician, which would add significantly to the cost. E27 fitting benefits is that as technology advances you just switch the bulbs, and the driver and bulb is just screwed in as one unit, and doesn'thave the driver located in the ceiling. 



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  Reply # 858056 17-Jul-2013 14:01
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langers1972: Can thoroughly recommend these, we had them installed in our lounge and they are awesome and look really stylish too:

http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl


What sort of cost were they?

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  Reply # 858057 17-Jul-2013 14:04
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mattwnz:
langers1972: Can thoroughly recommend these, we had them installed in our lounge and they are awesome and look really stylish too:

http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl


What sort of cost were they?


I think we got them for $55 each



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  Reply # 858058 17-Jul-2013 14:06
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langers1972:
mattwnz:
langers1972: Can thoroughly recommend these, we had them installed in our lounge and they are awesome and look really stylish too:

http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl


What sort of cost were they?


I think we got them for $55 each


Thats quite a good price. These things have definitely dropped a lot in price recently.

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  Reply # 858065 17-Jul-2013 14:16
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langers1972:
mattwnz:
langers1972: Can thoroughly recommend these, we had them installed in our lounge and they are awesome and look really stylish too:

http://www.halcyonlights.co.nz/led/led-downlights/r755-kwwl


What sort of cost were they?


I think we got them for $55 each


Where did you get the from?  I just put a couple in as a trial and they cost $92 each.  They certainly put out a good amount of light and have a good beam spread as well.



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  Reply # 858211 17-Jul-2013 17:47
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The RRP of them appears to be close to $90, which is nearly double the standalone IC fitting and E27 LED bulb option. Still not comfortable about having to replace an entire light fitting, and possibly driver when the bulb fails, as it is unlikely the same exact model will still exist to replace it with in 10-15 years. Not particularly environmentally friendly either. 
The thing about downlighters is that they all need to look the same on the ceiling, so one fitting and bulb that needs replacing with something slightly different, is likely to stick out like a sore thumb, and you don't want to have t rlace themn all every 1 years, as one may fail after say 3 years, while others may keep going for 20 - 30 years.

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