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# 136644 4-Dec-2013 13:57
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I want to install a master adsl filter at a friend's place which has multiple lines into a telecom wiring block of some sort.  Web searching suggests this is a krone/110 block, (the austel permit number (C89/83H/DD94) on the block produced no hits but another geekzone thread suggests this is what I need), but when I go to various electrical wholesalers to buy what I believe is the correct tool, I have been shown at least two different and apparently different tools of considerably varying cost ($17 to well over $50).

Now as this is probably a one off job and re-using the tool is probably a little unlikely as we all move to fibre(...) and I personally like to have at least a plan B, i.e. restore everything to untouched state if anything does not go to plan, and I don't want to spend a lot.  I can always cut the wires and rejoin then to restore to scratch.  However, I would prefer to do it properly if I can since noise on the line is the problem I am trying to fix and I don't want to potentially make it worse if for some reason I decide to back out.

I was hoping someone here who has actually used such a tool could give me an actual make/model number or a link so I can be at least sure that I am looking at the right tool before I decide to go ahead.

Thanks.

Brendan

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  # 945362 4-Dec-2013 14:05
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If you can post a photo of the block that will make identification a whole lot easier.  Then we will be able to let you know the right tool, as the Krone Tool & ATT110 Tools haev different blades/heads as each fit different blocks (Even thought they both meet the same 'Standards'.



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  # 945511 4-Dec-2013 17:25
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Thanks Graeme for your reply.  Here is a usable image (I hope):



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  # 945513 4-Dec-2013 17:26
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kitchen knife will sort that out



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  # 945516 4-Dec-2013 17:32
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John,

ROTFL, I had considered that option but was thinking it was a last resort.

Thanks for your reply though, it's nice to know I have a plan C

Brendan

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  # 945521 4-Dec-2013 17:33
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bjdacre: Thanks Graeme for your reply.  Here is a usable image (I hope):



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They are 10pr Krone Blocks  - a cheap push down tool (for bt phone jacks) from the warehouse or M10 will push the wires back down but the proper tool will do the job much better - and yes you can use a knife or small flat bladed screw drive to push the wires in but 9 times out of 10 you will break the idc terminals with that method 

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  # 945522 4-Dec-2013 17:35
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johnr: kitchen knife will sort that out


Don't you mean butcher's knife?

They are Krone blocks, you can get copies of the Krone tool for $10 hardly worth bothering with disposal plastic tools.

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  # 945536 4-Dec-2013 18:18
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Where in the country are you - if around central Auckland you're welcome to borrow my krone tool...

 
 
 
 




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  # 945582 4-Dec-2013 19:08
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Thanks to everyone who replied.

I will be tramping around Dunedin tomorrow in search of the elusive tool, armed with the photo and this thread, I am way more confident of success...

Brendan

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  # 946091 5-Dec-2013 15:03
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Krone tool is not for those blocks, that's an ATT tool block.


bjdacre: Thanks Graeme for your reply.  Here is a usable image (I hope):



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  # 946118 5-Dec-2013 16:10
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pctek: Krone tool is not for those blocks, that's an ATT tool block.


bjdacre: Thanks Graeme for your reply.  Here is a usable image (I hope):



Brendan


Nope.  That's a Krone block.  An  AT&T  110 block looks quiet different
http://tinyurl.com/l79f96h




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  # 946140 5-Dec-2013 16:55
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Well I certainly hope it is a Krone block since I went out and bought this tool

http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/components/other/auction-670177575.htm

(not this actual one though)


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  # 946781 6-Dec-2013 21:22
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Its a 5 x 10 pair Krone block for sure, seen far too many. If you are ever stuck for the correct tool you can hold the wire with 2 pairs of needle nose pliers about 5mm apart and force the wire into the block so that the metal contact blades cut through the insulation. Then cut off the excess. Benefit is you do not risk damaging the block. Mind you I have also used a thin bladed screw driver to force the wire into position as well, just make sure you do not spread the metal contacts, you push down on each side of the wire a bit at a time until its seated. Then of course a $20 krone knockoff tool will work fine, but the genuine Krone tool will punch down thousands of times and cut the excess off in one action.

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  # 955799 21-Dec-2013 13:29
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bjdacre: Well I certainly hope it is a Krone block since I went out and bought this tool

http://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/components/other/auction-670177575.htm

(not this actual one though)



That is the correct tool. Yes its absolutely a Krone (or clone...) block. Often they get replaced with a patch panel but still useful for connecting your internal phone systems even if everything else is using data.

The interesting thing is that you can get a test insert tool thats useful for isolating part of a circuit or testing whether the phone line works without having to unplug anything or search for the outlet.

No you cant use a knife or a 110 tool without risking some damage to the terminals.




Qualified in business, certified in fibre, stuck in copper, have to keep going  ^_^



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# 956006 21-Dec-2013 22:35
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Thanks to everyone who replied.

I bought the tool, did the work and the master filter has stabilised the adsl connection speed at 12Mb/s, which is about the speed expected according to Chorus and their service availability website.

However, the owner has decided, to go ufb, so my work will only be temporary, although, looking at the 'consenting' process, it may be a there for a while... 

Brendan

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